The Future in PA is Grim!

If fishermen want easements, than gather together push to perhaps use one of the stamps that has been created and gather enthusiasm for it and push the Pafbc to use the money for that .
Before 2004 there were no fishing easements in the state, no criteria for payment nor program for it.
It was fisher peoples in Erie County who fought for them and enlisted local businesses and local tourism board. The push the Pafbc.
Organize a group and make it large and then push the agenda. Numbers sway the commission. I pushed it along with my club and others in the area.
Individuals alone do not carry the weight of a large group.
A force divided with agendas tuned to wild vs stocked fly vs spin bait vs artificial will not get an easement program state wide. Nor will it create large mileages state wide, quickly.
 
www.trcp.org

Pennsylvania Awarded $2.8 Million USDA Grant to Expand Fishing Access on Private Lands | Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership

The Farm Bill-funded Voluntary Public Access and Habitat Incentive Program (VPA-HIP) provides critical funding for state and tribal governments to increase public access opportunities for hunting, fishing, and outdoor recreation on private lands.
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Pennsylvania​

Organization: Pennsylvania Fish & Boat Commission

Amount: $2,797,720

The Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission will create and enhance public access for fishing and boating, as well as other types of outdoor recreation, by offering financial incentives to owners of privately held lands to make their lands available to the public.

Anyone know where this money went or is going?
 
FisherOfMen said:
www.trcp.org

Pennsylvania Awarded $2.8 Million USDA Grant to Expand Fishing Access on Private Lands | Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership

The Farm Bill-funded Voluntary Public Access and Habitat Incentive Program (VPA-HIP) provides critical funding for state and tribal governments to increase public access opportunities for hunting, fishing, and outdoor recreation on private lands.
www.trcp.org www.trcp.org
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Pennsylvania​

Organization: Pennsylvania Fish & Boat Commission

Amount: $2,797,720

The Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission will create and enhance public access for fishing and boating, as well as other types of outdoor recreation, by offering financial incentives to owners of privately held lands to make their lands available to the public.

Anyone know where this money went or is going?
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it was approved at the end of August. these things take time.
 
tomgamber said:
If the state owns the water and is entrusted with the protection of that water, and buffer zones are vital to that protection, maybe they should be included as part of the water. Just a thought. I've seen people lose more than a strip of land for new buildings that protect nothing.
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Use the Tidelands Access format used in western coastal states?
Been too long since I lived here, does Jersey, Delaware, Connecticut, have something like that?
 
FisherOfMen said:
Im not entirely sure thats possible in a lot of areas in Pennsylvania. High water mark in Montana could mean you are 5 miles away from the landowners house. In Pennsylvania that could mean you have a right to sit at the picnic table of a homeowner during a family event.
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Uhmm, No.Let me offer this as an example.

Having lived in the Puget Sound area for 28 years, I can tell you there are beach and shoreline access rights for fishermen, some places it's high tide line, others just a simple easement, with the guidelines that those easements be clearly marked. Landowners still do have protections from tomfoolery and idiots, though.

Salmon is King there. During a high point in the 2015 Pink season for example, some moron caught and cleaned an out of season Coho, and had the audacity to pass the posted boundary, and avail himself of the landowners close to the water pergola and grill. (A nice little outdoor family picnic area, if you will).

Not only was he arrested, fined and his gear confiscated, he lost fishing license privileges for 5 years. The landowner, being heavily upset, tried to block access to that section (theirs) of the easement. State promptly told him that's not how it works, at least there, and they simply added more deputy sherrifs and increased their fish cop presence.

Here, we're dealing with a lot of old colonial land grant issues, right? Legalities that Commonwealth courts would rather not deal with because those land grants predate the states own charter, etc.?
Let's look at it another way. How many times have those farm specific land grants been subdivided and sold off to provide housing and farming opportunities for family members or other people since those grants were given?

Also, when the states constitution was written, was it guaranteed that residents have a legal right to hunt and fish the lands and waters of the state, unimpeded? Believe it or not, there are a lot of states where you don't have that right.

Ok too much of a ramble. But, do you see what I'm getting at?
 
Still waiting for any responses on the question I posed on Page 5 #81:

Just wonder how many of the advocates of the State "taking streams & buffer zones and making them public" own or live on property with a stream or a lake that is fed by a stream??​
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And if 'ya own any, is your property open to anyone to fish without restriction like it would be if the State seized it?​
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If not, why not?​
 
Bamboozle said:
Still waiting for any responses on the question I posed on Page 5 #81:

Just wonder how many of the advocates of the State "taking streams & buffer zones and making them public" own or live on property with a stream or a lake that is fed by a stream??​
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And if 'ya own any, is your property open to anyone to fish without restriction like it would be if the State seized it?​
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If not, why not?​
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Dear Bamboozle,

I can answer from a previous time in my life when I owned a home on 6 acres on the Susquehanna River in upstate NY. I never posted my property and never patrolled it either. I granted walk-in permission to the few people that asked with the only stipulation that they could park in my driveway but please leave room for easy ingress and egress for my vehicles and to my garage. I never had an issue.

Likewise, I didn't patrol my riverbank section but did walk down several times each year to fish and otherwise check out the river. I never had an issue with any litter or property damage, nor signs that the property was even visited. One time I walked down and accidently left a large tackle box filled with lures on the bank in plain view for about 2 weeks. It took until my brother came up for us to take my boat out from the PFBC commission ramp at the PA/NY line to realize where the tackle box was. We ran the jet boat 7 miles upriver and the tackle box sat undisturbed exactly where I had left it,

So, in short, if I had property in PA with stream or river access I would do exactly the same as I did when I owned my NY property. I never had a reason to do otherwise.

YMMV

Regards,

Tim Murphy 🙂
 
TimMurphy said:
...So, in short, if I had property in PA with stream or river access I would do exactly the same as I did when I owned my NY property. I never had a reason to do otherwise.

YMMV

Regards,

Tim Murphy 🙂
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The Susquehanna is probably different than a Joe Schmo trout stream, and I assume you only owned property on the NY side and I don't know the deal there.

So allow me to ask you a hypothetical question...

In the similar situation on smaller water that you own in PA and you own BOTH sides of the "crick..."

Because of access zealots the government steps in, the streambed running through your property becomes public and you can longer grant, deny or restrict access.

Folks come when they please, you have no control on how many; they park wherever they want on/off, or along your property, yell back & forth to each other how many fish they caught, smoke cigars (which I can't smoke in public parks) maybe litter or cause damage; your only recourse is to call the cops...

And the tackle box is missing. 😉

How would that work out for you???

I'm not trying to be a smack a$$, but my point in asking the question (twice) is, it is probably most often folks who DON'T own property with a stream running through it that speak the loudest in support of being allowed to fish on mine or similar property.

To me that's analogous to me, a person with no kids telling folks WITH kids what to do with the schools or allowing me unfettered access to the schools because they are public and I pay taxes (and a LOT of taxes) to keep them open.
 
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