Yellow Breeches

Just FYI and to clarify some things that have been insinuated or implied further up this thread. . .

Cumberland Valley Trout Unlimited (CVTU) has done many improvement projects on Breeches, but the one completed in Allenberry that is under discussion was not one of them. Nor, for that matter, is CVTU involved in any way with the Allenberry's ownership and their plans for the site.

Precision Fly Fishing company is also not involved with Allenberry and has no role in this new permit plan. Precision guides will not be working in this section of water if this permit program continues.

Carry on. . .
Then I retract any insinuation that there was any involvement of the privatization of that stretch from either of the two retailers/guide services for the aforementioned stretch of water - I actually am happy to hear that - Allenberry owns it, they can manage it however they want - sad to see it go, I am hoping this doesn’t set a precedent for more of the same as much of the Lower Letort (and many other sections of creeks statewide) is now posted - my whole focus in teaching many folks to fish over the years has been to make it fun, real, and affordable for us commoners - seems that’s all eroding away as we go full circle into the snobby elite flyfishers route - planning on going out the way I came in:
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Nothing happens in a vacuum.

Article I missed in PennLive last month. Allenberry Playhouse likely is no more, seems like a 164 unit housing project may be in the works. Allenberry may be working at turning this into a private resort,etc.

Again, fishing sucks in this stretch, so they will have to put in a fishing petting zoo to keep their members happy.

 
From the Allenberry website: As an official Orvis-Endorsed Fly Fishing destination, Allenberry offers expert-guided excursions for all experience levels. Learn to cast like a pro, explore private water access, or refine your technique with seasoned instructors. This isn’t just fishing—it’s an immersive, hands-on experience in one of the Mid-Atlantic’s premier fly fishing locales.
 
Guy who works for the fish commission said on a Facebook post that they are still stocking it as scheduled, free permit was his key word .
 
It’s BS. They are going to say “heys it’s free, anyone can sign up for a pass” and the PFBC is going to say it’s ok. Like hell im going to sign up to get access to their property. I’m glad that YBAC, TCO, and Precision have all said no to this and have decided to not be associated with them. It’s their property and they can do what they want with it, but taking advantage of public stockings and then limiting access is not right. If they just limited parking at the resort, I’d be fine with that, but they are closing the whole stretch to non permit holders.

Let’s see a private citizen do this, the PFBC would try to find out if they could take the fish back on top of stop stocking.

Only a matter of time that it becomes a pay to fish stretch.

I’m thinking of starting a secretive “Night Fishing At Allenberry” event and every few weeks have a group of anglers descend on them with no passes. Also, if the PFBC changes it from a catch and release because of this, I may actually start keeping on a stringer while I’m there so Allenberry snobs can’t get them later.
 
Free doesn't mean unlimited access. The Allenberry in their own words said:

"Permits will be limited each day and available online. This program is designed to reduce crowding..."


The last time I checked, restricted access usually meant no PFBC stockings...

I would suggest to all interested parities that beginning on April 4, the first day of the "permit program" you apply for a permit online and see if you get denied. If so, call the Southcentral Regional Law Enforcement Office and complain you can't fish there for the fish the PFBC stocked on March 4th.

I'm in and will complain all the way up to the Governor's office...
 
Guy who works for the fish commission said on a Facebook post that they are still stocking it as scheduled, free permit was his key word .
Care to post evidence or where this statement can be found for inquisitive minds?
By limiting the number of permits issued per day, they are prohibiting access to licensed individuals who were denied those permits. How can PFBC condone this crap and why would they provide a private landowner with free fish? It was my understanding that PFBC had said they would not do this.
 
By limiting the number of permits issued per day, they are prohibiting access to licensed individuals who were denied those permits. How can PFBC condone this crap and why would they provide a private landowner with free fish? It was my understanding that PFBC had said they would not do this.
No evidence has been presented showing that the PFBC condones this, or that they will continue stocking that stretch.
 
It sounds to me like Allenberry wants to be a destination resort. That's fine, it's their property, but don't rely on state fish to fill your stream.
I've never been there, in fact I have never fished The YB at all ,and likely never will unless by happenstance, but I was under the impression Allenberry already was a destination resort?
 
I've never been there, in fact I have never fished The YB at all ,and likely never will unless by happenstance, but I was under the impression Allenberry already was a destination resort?

The last time I ate, drank and/or stayed at the Allenberry resort was prior to 2015, before the new ownership took over, renovated and reopened in 2017.

They rested a lot on their laurels, being a wedding venue and the theatre. When I stayed there there last it could best be described as an old tired resort locked in the 1970's with small musty rooms, some cabins, mediocre pricey food and no amenities...

The renovated property still doesn't get overall 5 star reviews so I have no idea what the draw is today.
 
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I've never been there, in fact I have never fished The YB at all ,and likely never will unless by happenstance, but I was under the impression Allenberry already was a destination resort?
Dear dudemanspecial,

It was, but fishing was never the primary attraction. They had an active playhouse with a theatre group along with lodging and dining. Fishing was an optional attraction but now that the playhouse is no longer in operation, they must be looking for another revenue source.

Regards,

Tim Murphy 🙂
 
Just spoke with PFBC rep regarding this fiasco. I was told "The commission is aware of the situation at Allenberry and is "working with them to come to a resolution". In other words, the state is waffling in Allenberry's favor!
 
Just spoke with PFBC rep regarding this fiasco. I was told "The commission is aware of the situation at Allenberry and is "working with them to come to a resolution". In other words, the state is waffling in Allenberry's favor!
If they allow this, every landowner on every stream would then have the right to do that. Yet again, two tiered system, if you got the money you get to do what you want.

If a single landowner tried this first it would have been shot down immediately. They never leaned into the fly fishing portion (I remember talking to someone that said they didn’t even have a way to track who was coming to the property, so they were wondering if the Orvis endorsement is worth it), now they are because it must make them enough money.
 
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I get the impression that Allenberry attracts people from VA /DC / MD because of the short drive.

Getting out of the city and being able to fly fish, see a play and walk on grass attracts the weekend guests.

Flip side is marginal accommodation and food. And now, no playhouse.
 
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