PA Stream Access and PFBC Budget Woes

[Bamboozle]

In ERie county we have used fruit baskets around the Xmas/New Year Holidays to thank land owners for access and we would place the PAFBC easement brochure within, with contact information.

I send thank you cards.

 

[PennKev]

Sounds like if they didn't stock those waters, it would eliminate the need for access.

IMO, a warm water stream with access is more valuable than a trout stream without public access.

Public access is THE issue facing the future of river and stream fishing in most states, even some with currently strong navigable waters law. PA's navigable waters law is not practical to enforce except in high profile siruations. We need every easement and legally binding guarantee of access we can get.

I have several decent smallmouth streams within an easy drive. They are all also stocked trout waters. If stocking stopped tomorrow they would still be worthwhile fisheries. I'd hate to find out that they became posted because PAFBC turned off the flow of rubber trout.

 

[SBecker]

Finsylvania dude is not my cup of tea. I can't stand his approach to subjects. Pass on anything from him.

 

[jifigz]

TC


Are the stocked pheasants causing the same issues as stocked trout? That would be your answer.

Well, I am not sure, but I will say the total number of harvested pheasants per numbed stocked is extremely low. Also, a single pheasant costs the game commission just over $20 per bird, so they are a huge financial obligation on the PFGC budget. But I love hunting them.

 

[dudemanspecial]

I fondly recall the days when journalism was a profession, not a hobby.

 

[troutbert]

Well, I am not sure, but I will say the total number of harvested pheasants per numbed stocked is extremely low. Also, a single pheasant costs the game commission just over $20 per bird, so they are a huge financial obligation on the PFGC budget. But I love hunting them.

According to an online search, the Game Commission says the harvest rate is about 45%.

 

[The Rodfather]

Funny you mention that, if we go to our way back machine to *checks notes* 10 years ago, PGC cut its bird stocking programs during budget crisis to make the books balance.

They saw that problem too and addressed it.

Thats what programs do when they see that operations costs are not sustainable at the level they are at.

Since then, they got oil and gas leases and a huge pool of money to keep themselves afloat in the medium term so they brought the level of birds back up to what it was.

They will have to find a new revenue stream in 8-10 years when the oil/gas lease pool is dried up or they will likely have to make those decisions again.

Instead of following that path to fiscal responsibility, PFBC are going full steam ahead.

 

[FisherOfMen]

Im on the other end of the spectrum. I appreciate his passion and tenacity on this subject and others. I also appreciate the amount of research and time he and his guests put into things they discuss. I also appreciate that he gets it not just in front of fisherman's eyes but also the common taxpayer.

He isnt wrong on the subject and regardless of how I view him as a person, I can separate the message from the man.

 

[CRB]

Im on the other end of the spectrum. I appreciate his passion and tenacity on this subject and others. I also appreciate the amount of research and time he and his guests put into things they discuss. I also appreciate that he gets it not just in front of fisherman's eyes but also the common taxpayer.

He isnt wrong on the subject and regardless of how I view him as a person, I can separate the message from the man.

I don't see the connection the common taxpayer plays into the Fish and Boat except for the water rescue and white water rescue units the the PAFBC provide. The Growing Greener money is a grant that any city, county or entity can apply for. Even the Turnpike and state police can apply what is the big deal it is apportioned for and need to be used.

 

[FisherOfMen]

I don't see the connection the common taxpayer plays into the Fish and Boat except for the water rescue and white water rescue units the the PAFBC provide. The Growing Greener money is a grant that any city, county or entity can apply for. Even the Turnpike and state police can apply what is the big deal it is apportioned for and need to be used.

The Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission (PFBC) received a historic $76 million in state capital funding to execute an extensive, multi-year $93 million hatchery capital improvement project.

 

[Roofin' Trouter]

The Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission (PFBC) received a historic $76 million in state capital funding to execute an extensive, multi-year $93 million hatchery capital improvement project.

What are your thoughts on the $16 million for projects at a few state parks? Ricketts Glen, Cooks Forest and a few others.

 

[FisherOfMen]

What are your thoughts on the $16 million for projects at a few state parks? Ricketts Glen, Cooks Forest and a few others.

What are the ins and outs of those projects?
Im fine with taxpayer money being used on public recreation as long as its spent wisely.

 

[Roofin' Trouter]

What are the ins and outs of those projects?
Im fine with taxpayer money being used on public recreation as long as its spent wisely.

I'm not really sure. I heard about it on the radio and then read a press release but no details were included. But if $5.2 million was spent at one state park ( Cherry Springs) to make the star gazing better what does $16 million get at 4 parks?

 

[FisherOfMen]

I'm not really sure. I heard about it on the radio and then read a press release but no details were included. But if $5.2 million was spent at one state park ( Cherry Springs) to make the star gazing better what does $16 million get at 4 parks?

A quarter a star?