Yellow Breeches

joebamboo said:
YBAC co op will be meeting with PFBC to discuss this issue and how to resolve it.
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Keep us posted if you are in the know...i am really curious to see what PFBC has to say about this.

I really hope its something better than "Its my understanding that they have not posted the access point you are talking about, our staff has tested that location, and it is safe to fish there"
 
According to the person I spoke to at Southcentral PFBC Regional Law Enforcement just a few minutes ago, they are aware, concerned and have been contacted at several different levels so the ball is rolling.

The thing to remember is this needs to be resolved one way or the other BEFORE the next PFBC stocking date which is April 22.

joebamboo said:
YBAC co op will be meeting with PFBC to discuss this issue and how to resolve it.
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IHMO the only resolution is to get Boiling Springs Holdings, LLC DBA Allenberry Resort & Spa to drop the idea (which would only be a temporary thing) or for the PFBC & YBAC to stop stocking and call it a day.

I'm sure Allenberry is aware they risk loosing a couple of free fish dumps which assumes they expect they will eventually make up for the loss and the added expense of fish by increased revenues elsewhere or they have some local politico or PFBC official in their hip pocket.

I certainly hope it is NOT the latter...

Someone local should contact local news outlets to get this as much publicity as possible for obvious reasons.
 
I am not a Breeches regular, and I've only fished it once, but maybe it is time for someone with some deep pockets to push the limits and see if it is "navigable." Then, you could enter the stream from upstream or downstream of their land, and they couldn't give you any lip for fishing through that stretch.

It is a big enough waterway that it would have a strong chance of being deemed navigable....
 
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God, I hope no idiot ever tries to make that happen...

Most of the stream is on private property with MANY parcels and different owners so the outrage would be monumental.

Besides, until I see commerce on little creeks like this, the navigability argument is beyond stupid in 2026...
 
There are several dams on the Breeches which would make floating without portaging on private property very difficult.
 
I’m wondering if an annual permit system would be a better idea for the Yellow Breeches. Not just for Allenberry’s property, but all participating landowners. Money from permits go to maintenance of access and streamside property.
 
Matt_Geiman said:
I’m wondering if an annual permit system would be a better idea for the Yellow Breeches. Not just for Allenberry’s property, but all participating landowners. Money from permits go to maintenance of access and streamside property.
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Dear Matt,

Who in their right mind would pay to fish for trout they already paid to raise and stock? If anything remotely close to this comes about I'm done with trout fishing.

Regards,

Tim Murphy 🙂
 
Bamboozle said:
God, I hope no idiot ever tries to make that happen...

Most of the stream is on private property with MANY parcels and different owners so the outrage would be monumental.

Besides, until I see commerce on little creeks like this, the navigability argument is beyond stupid in 2026...
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I don't understand this logic. If most of it is on small private parcels of land, then that just means people have less places to access the stream, so why would outrage be monumental? People would still have a difficult time accessing the stream.

Do you think the navigability argument was stupid in 2008 when it was used in the case regarding the Little Juniata? I am not sure why anyone here would be poo-pooing the public's greater use and access to water anywhere in the state. Having access for fishing keeps fishing fun. Not having access to good water, well, it SUCKS!

I think the more access for PA fishermen, the better.
 
Having grown up in Michigan this whole concept of private landowners owning the stream bed of navigable waters is completely wild to me.

There is no commerce restriction in MI and as long as it can be floated you can float it or wade in waters running through private land. You just have to stay in the water as you pass through the private land. This solves a lot of the access issues, and frankly, if the state is stocking it and/or maintaining it, it should be public water anyways.
 
The Rodfather said:
Having grown up in Michigan this whole concept of private landowners owning the stream bed of navigable waters is completely wild to me.

There is no commerce restriction in MI and as long as it can be floated you can float it or wade in waters running through private land. You just have to stay in the water as you pass through the private land. This solves a lot of the access issues, and frankly, if the state is stocking it and/or maintaining it, it should be public water anyways.
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I wish PA had a "wet feet" law. It would make things a lot easier.
 
jifigz said:
I don't understand this logic. If most of it is on small private parcels of land, then that just means people have less places to access the stream, so why would outrage be monumental? People would still have a difficult time accessing the stream...
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The outrage would be monumental because there is a lot of posted property and I have a feeling the folks with the posted property posted it because they don't want a bunch of yahoos fishing in their backyards. which is the case in areas below Section 03 and along Section 04.

jifigz said:
Do you think the navigability argument was stupid in 2008 when it was used in the case regarding the Little Juniata? I am not sure why anyone here would be poo-pooing the public's greater use and access to water anywhere in the state. Having access for fishing keeps fishing fun. Not having access to good water, well, it SUCKS!
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YES!!

The navigability thing make sense on the Delaware, and the other great rivers where there IS actually commerce (the reason for the law in the first place) but anywhere else it is an outdated stupid metric to allow fly anglers (because it's always fly anglers) to P!$$ off land owners.

You want access, buy it like the landowner did...

You want PA to acquire more access, make donations to the various PFBC programs that use the monies to do just that. FWIW - I've been donating to the cause for over 25 years...

Why do I feel this way, I own property on a stream that at it's mouth is bigger than the Yellow Breeches. It hasn't been declared navigable but that won't stop some FF'ng, holier than thou ****** from encouraging someone to start a lawsuit so he can fish on my property.

When that happens, I'll fight it with every drop of the blood in my body and the body of the interloper...
 
I was recently looking at a property with Little J frontage. I'm not seriously looking as I can't relocate at this point in my life but that property had far more appeal to me because it is deemed navigable. Having access to the whole river rather than just the chunk I'd own would have immense value to me.

I'd fully support Montana style access rights in PA and I, too, own a property with a stream.
 
Concerning, no doubt. At the root of this, I believe, is Allenberry's desire to create a more exclusive fly fishing destination. Hard to charge premium rates and guiding services when every Fudd can wander onto the stream.

The only saving grace to this is this section of water now sucks. I fished the white fly hatch one evening this year and despite the bugs on the surface, I did not see one single fish feeding on the surface.

The stream "improvements" reminded me of creeks channelized after the '72 Agnes flood. Essentially, run a bulldozer over the stream bed to level it out.
 
Letort said:
The stream "improvements" reminded me of creeks channelized after the '72 Agnes flood. Essentially, run a bulldozer over the stream bed to level it out.
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Does anyone have photos of what it looks like now? I remember what it looked like when the mill dam was there but haven't seen it since then.

What stream improvements did they try to do, and why do you think it was not successful?
 
Bamboozle said:
You want access, buy it like the landowner did...
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If I may point out the obvious...have you seen the cost of real estate these days? I'd love to buy streamside property but it's a pipe dream - and yes my job/career pays well. It's a feat to be able to buy such property and also find a job in one's chosen field within reasonable distance of this hypothetical primo private trout water

Access controlled by the privileged few is a recipe for killing the sport.
 
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