They're back at it
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If and when that were to ever happen, I would very much be losing faith in our nation and our people. That would be ridiculous. Nothing makes you appreciate and understand the land and nature like hunting and fishing. The people who care the most about the fish and who act as the watchdogs are the ones who spend their lives devoted to catching them.
dudemanspecial
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They are using the proper legal process to push their agenda, nothing wrong with that at all. If the people of Oregon vote for it (we all know they won't) or against it, and the Oregon government ratifies it, then democracy worked.
I respectfully disagree. We are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights, which are succinctly enumerated in the Declaration of Independence as the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. These are natural rights of all individuals, granted by God. I categorize the right to hunt and fish in the rights to liberty and the pursuit of happiness categories mentioned above. Not all that long ago, and maybe still, the right to hunt and fish could also have been categorized in the right to life because people need to be able to feed themselves in order to live.
A decision by a majority of the electorate, even if accomplished through a democratic process, does not supersede these rights granted to us by our Creator. The government is charged with guaranteeing and protecting our individual natural rights, but neither a government nor a majority of individuals has the right to take them away.
Just think of all the terrible things that could happen by a simple majority rule. Thankfully, the Constitution was put in place to guarantee the God-given rights of individuals, not to guarantee simple majority rule.
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hooker-of-men
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Wow. The idea that Jesus Christ and George Washington are fist bumping in heaven over our innate right to stab a German trout in the face with a squirmy worm on a creek behind an Amazon warehouse in Altoona only to let it go without eating it...
This thread is going to rule.
This thread is going to rule.
wildtrout2
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Just because the proper legal process is used, and something becomes law, doesn't necessarily mean democracy worked. It simply means it got the needed votes to become law. I've seen more than enough laws get passed that should not have. Just because you can do something, doesn't always mean you should.
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This is all a veiled effort to make Portland the rat capital of the country. They're already in the running. Eliminating pest control is a surefire path to victory.
It will be easy to replace the hunting and fishing dollars when the tourism department can run ads proclaiming Eugene the capital of homelessness and Portland "Rat City".
It will be easy to replace the hunting and fishing dollars when the tourism department can run ads proclaiming Eugene the capital of homelessness and Portland "Rat City".
Bamboozle
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I wish the State of Oregon (and a few others) only the best, and the enactment of legislation like this is a step in the right direction of my definition of the best...
dudemanspecial
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Why do we have to resort to spot burning?
dudemanspecial
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Skook thats a fair argument, and thats all I'm gonna say about that because we are already walking the line of political discussion.
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I'll take the under on locked by 8:00 AM.
"We all know they won't."
That's correct. It will get defeated by a very wide margin. Everyone knows his, even the proponents.
So why get excited by a proposal that everyone knows has no chance of passing?
6xAdams(Jones)
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If passed, this will be the least enforced law in Oregon.
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Dear Board,
I have a friend who sold his home in the Seattle area and retired to Oregon specially for the fishing. He is a guy who fly fished for chum salmon in the SEA-TAC harbors amongst the freighters in an Outcast Commander. Fishing is very important to him.
He's as liberal as they come, and I guarantee he will be campaigning against this law if it gains enough steam to become something more than a "Yawn, who cares" idea.
Regards,
Tim Murphy 🙂
I have a friend who sold his home in the Seattle area and retired to Oregon specially for the fishing. He is a guy who fly fished for chum salmon in the SEA-TAC harbors amongst the freighters in an Outcast Commander. Fishing is very important to him.
He's as liberal as they come, and I guarantee he will be campaigning against this law if it gains enough steam to become something more than a "Yawn, who cares" idea.
Regards,
Tim Murphy 🙂
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The only cause for excitement is that they got enough signatures. I believe that means somewhere between 3 and 4% of the voting population signed it. Whether those people just signed without thinking it through or have no grasp on reality doesn't really matter. Both possibilities are concerning.
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If I can make you angry, I control you. Not in the sense that I can tell you what to do, but if I can make you angry, you're only thinking about being angry. And when you're angry (or sad, or lovelorn, or brimming with laughter), you are poised to make bad decisions. It's almost the same as being drunk.
We know this instinctively, but we presume we outgrow it. We don't. It takes discipline and a conscience effort. And when I say instinctive, I mean hard wired in our brains. That's why toddlers are able to push their parents' buttons without giving it a second thought, and middle schoolers are so good at zeroing in on exactly the thing that's going to trigger an emotional outburst.
The internet is the first entity in human history that has figured out how to monetize our toddler and middle schooler emotional abilities, and this steaming pile of garbage is but single example of how inciting raw emotion drives website engagement. As of this writing, this post has been in place for just about 12 hours (most of it when we were sleeping) and mine is the 15th or 16th post.
And the post wasn't even made with the intention of evoking a response.
But you can bet the petition drive is designed to get as many people foaming at the mouth as possible.
As has been pointed out, elsewhere in the thread, everyone has a right to advocate for whatever they want. And we all have the right to express our support or opposition. Such is the nature of a free society. But when someone else's opinion makes you angry or emotional in any other way, you are no longer in control.
Gotta say, I'm deeply impressed by the posts made so far on this thread. They've expressed opposition to a dumb idea in a way that reflects thought processes that involve logic and reason, not raw, reactive emotion. I suspect it's because those of us on this board understand the virtues of being patient, thanks to our enjoyment of fishing.
Final thought: He who makes you angry controls you. Channel the energy of your emotions and you will be in control of your own destiny.
We know this instinctively, but we presume we outgrow it. We don't. It takes discipline and a conscience effort. And when I say instinctive, I mean hard wired in our brains. That's why toddlers are able to push their parents' buttons without giving it a second thought, and middle schoolers are so good at zeroing in on exactly the thing that's going to trigger an emotional outburst.
The internet is the first entity in human history that has figured out how to monetize our toddler and middle schooler emotional abilities, and this steaming pile of garbage is but single example of how inciting raw emotion drives website engagement. As of this writing, this post has been in place for just about 12 hours (most of it when we were sleeping) and mine is the 15th or 16th post.
And the post wasn't even made with the intention of evoking a response.
But you can bet the petition drive is designed to get as many people foaming at the mouth as possible.
As has been pointed out, elsewhere in the thread, everyone has a right to advocate for whatever they want. And we all have the right to express our support or opposition. Such is the nature of a free society. But when someone else's opinion makes you angry or emotional in any other way, you are no longer in control.
Gotta say, I'm deeply impressed by the posts made so far on this thread. They've expressed opposition to a dumb idea in a way that reflects thought processes that involve logic and reason, not raw, reactive emotion. I suspect it's because those of us on this board understand the virtues of being patient, thanks to our enjoyment of fishing.
Final thought: He who makes you angry controls you. Channel the energy of your emotions and you will be in control of your own destiny.
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I’m from Altoona. Please do not spot burn my honey hole. Seriously, my son-in-law is from Madras, Oregon. He grew up hunting and fishing. There is no way this will be enacted.
hooker-of-men
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Oregon_OwlII
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I doubt it will even come close to passing, but plus one for using the democratic process.
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“Can you describe the suspect for me please Miss?”
“He is holding a fly rod and attacking trees! He currently has fourteen feet of monofilament hopelessly fouled in a forsythia.”
“He is holding a fly rod and attacking trees! He currently has fourteen feet of monofilament hopelessly fouled in a forsythia.”
