Stretch in fly lines

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Stretch in fly lines is usually not something fly fisherman talk about, and it honestly hasn't come up in my mind until recently. In the conventional fishing world if you told a competitive bass angler that his line had a 30 % stretch rate there is a good chance that he would be shopping for a new line that had a smaller stretch rate when he got home that day. Why do you ask? The more stretch in a line means less hook penetration on the hookset and less sensitivity/feel you have in your line to feel subtle takes from the fish. I fish allot out of a kayak which is not a fixed platform when you set the hook. Unless you are anchored there is a good chance that kayak will move into your hookset while setting the hook, decreasing hook penetration causing bounced or lost fish.

I was doing a 1 v 1 with my son this summer kayak fishing for snakeheads I was using a fly rod, and my son was using a bait caster. I lost 3 fish that day, all of them came off a few seconds after being hooked. I took the loss that day my son caught one snakehead and two bass I ended up with just one snakehead and had to pay my son $200 dollars to honor the bet I made to him earlier. After forking over 200 to my son I started questioning my skills, I have bounced fish before but never that many in a day. I was using a new fly line that I hadn't previously used on the kayak before and a freshly tied fly with a sharp hook. I wanted to know what had happened wrong that day on the water. So, detective Fred was put on assignment, the fly is one that I have caught 100's of snakeheads on in the past, same leader set up That I have used for years. The only thing I could find different was the fly line which was a high-speed low drag fancy new fully clear fly line.

So I did an experiment I went out fishing with same line on the kayak 5 times in a row, now I didn’t have as bad of results as that day but did notice an increase rate of lost fish after they were hooked, this was no double blind study and I was actively trying to set the hook harder to keep the fish buttoned. After these five outings I was convinced that it had to be the line stretch, I knew a little about fly line stretch before this but never consider it a reason to lose fish. So, I took to the innerwebs and conducted some research and found out that most fly lines with a mono core have a 30% stretch rate, all clear lines have a mono core . To further my study, I searched for lines that I could use with low stretch rates and Rio and Airflo from what I found are the only brands that mention stretch rates of their lines. With Airflo having the lowest stretch rate that I could find, I purchased their flats power taper with a listed 6% stretch rate. After I got the Ine in the mail I took to the water in my kayak and fished for the day, I didn’t lose a single fish that day and noticed a better/harder connection to the fish during the hookset. After just one day I knew I would never go back to the clear line on the kayak unless I had to. On the following fishing outing I used the airflo line on my boat and set the hook on one fish and lost it after a few seconds , in my mind I was like here we go again , only to observe shortly after that the hook on my fly had almost completely straighten out during the hookset , as I was feeling really proud of myself for accomplishing this I couldn't help but to think that the line had definitely had the 6% stretch rate as advertised to generate that kind of power to straighten out the hook like that . I dont have the pic with me at the moment but will post it later.

Here is a nice article on Fly line stretch, better than I could ever do lol https://www.flyfishingkingdom.com/fly-fishing-lines/the-science-behind-fly-line-stretch/

Rio info on fly line core and stretch rates https://farbank.com/pages/rio-know-your-core

 
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At one point I fished a Monic GSP core line that had almost no stretch but it was a bear to cast and manage. I have been happy with the SA lines and fish the rio outboard short for mousing.
 
Interesting observation, I generally don't think about line stretch when fishing, but I can totally see how it would impact hooksets. Makes me wonder about fish I've lost particularly with streamer fishing and saltwater for stripers.

At one point I fished a Monic GSP core line that had almost no stretch but it was a bear to cast and manage. I have been happy with the SA lines and fish the rio outboard short for mousing.
+1 for SA lines, been using Orvis Pro (SA disguised) line for a while now and have really enjoyed it.
 
Interesting observation, I generally don't think about line stretch when fishing, but I can totally see how it would impact hooksets. Makes me wonder about fish I've lost particularly with streamer fishing and saltwater for stripers.

I also have given a lot of thought to line stretch when tight lining. I fish maxima chameleon and when I tight line with jig streamers I fish anywhere from 20-40+ feet away. It is tempting to fish longer, but that introduces a lot more risk of a low-power hookset. It has taken a lot of practice (and lost fish) to get this system working consistently. I much prefer nymphs and 25 ft of line out with smaller hooks that take way less power to set, but when the streamers work, it can be very effective.
 
I also have given a lot of thought to line stretch when tight lining. I fish maxima chameleon and when I tight line with jig streamers I fish anywhere from 20-40+ feet away. It is tempting to fish longer, but that introduces a lot more risk of a low-power hookset. It has taken a lot of practice (and lost fish) to get this system working consistently. I much prefer nymphs and 25 ft of line out with smaller hooks that take way less power to set, but when the streamers work, it can be very effective.
What do you do for tippet when jig streamer fishing? Or is it straight Maxima?
 
I also have given a lot of thought to line stretch when tight lining. I fish maxima chameleon and when I tight line with jig streamers I fish anywhere from 20-40+ feet away. It is tempting to fish longer, but that introduces a lot more risk of a low-power hookset. It has taken a lot of practice (and lost fish) to get this system working consistently. I much prefer nymphs and 25 ft of line out with smaller hooks that take way less power to set, but when the streamers work, it can be very effective.

That's my experience as well.

Generally, when I fish for trout I like to have a 4X 7.5' leader to tippet ring and than change my tippet length/size to whatever I am doing nymph/streamer/dry. The all-purpose setup is nice for switching quickly, but the main drawback I have found is sometimes my streamer hooksets are a little weaker than I would like, and alternatively the dry fly casting can suffer a little bit.

In all reality I should be switching leaders, but ain't nobody got time for that.
 
What do you do for tippet when jig streamer fishing? Or is it straight Maxima?
I almost always fish this: 20-40 ft maxima in 5lb or 10lb > SA tricolor sighter in 4x or 2x > tippet sized for the fly and water.

I used to fish a tippet ring but now it is just blood or "orvis tippet knots" but I would put the ring at the end of the maxima, before the sighter.

When I fish bigger jig streamers, I use the 2X sighter and 3X or 4X tippet. With smaller streamers and larger nymphs I fish the 4X sighter and 5x tippet.
 
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Stretch in fly lines is usually not something fly fisherman talk about, and it honestly hasn't come up in my mind until recently. In the conventional fishing world if you told a competitive bass angler that his line had a 30 % stretch rate there is a good chance that he would be shopping for a new line that had a smaller stretch rate when he got home that day. Why do you ask? The more stretch in a line means less hook penetration on the hookset and less sensitivity/feel you have in your line to feel subtle takes from the fish. I fish allot out of a kayak which is not a fixed platform when you set the hook. Unless you are anchored there is a good chance that kayak will move into your hookset while setting the hook, decreasing hook penetration causing bounced or lost fish.

I was doing a 1 v 1 with my son this summer kayak fishing for snakeheads I was using a fly rod, and my son was using a bait caster. I lost 3 fish that day, all of them came off a few seconds after being hooked. I took the loss that day my son caught one snakehead and two bass I ended up with just one snakehead and had to pay my son $200 dollars to honor the bet I made to him earlier. After forking over 200 to my son I started questioning my skills, I have bounced fish before but never that many in a day. I was using a new fly line that I hadn't previously used on the kayak before and a freshly tied fly with a sharp hook. I wanted to know what had happened wrong that day on the water. So, detective Fred was put on assignment, the fly is one that I have caught 100's of snakeheads on in the past, same leader set up That I have used for years. The only thing I could find different was the fly line which was a high-speed low drag fancy new fully clear fly line.

So I did an experiment I went out fishing with same line on the kayak 5 times in a row, now I didn’t have as bad of results as that day but did notice an increase rate of lost fish after they were hooked, this was no double blind study and I was actively trying to set the hook harder to keep the fish buttoned. After these five outings I was convinced that it had to be the line stretch, I knew a little about fly line stretch before this but never consider it a reason to lose fish. So, I took to the innerwebs and conducted some research and found out that most fly lines with a mono core have a 30% stretch rate, all clear lines have a mono core . To further my study, I searched for lines that I could use with low stretch rates and Rio and Airflo from what I found are the only brands that mention stretch rates of their lines. With Airflo having the lowest stretch rate that I could find, I purchased their flats power taper with a listed 6% stretch rate. After I got the Ine in the mail I took to the water in my kayak and fished for the day, I didn’t lose a single fish that day and noticed a better/harder connection to the fish during the hookset. After just one day I knew I would never go back to the clear line on the kayak unless I had to. On the following fishing outing I used the airflo line on my boat and set the hook on one fish and lost it after a few seconds , in my mind I was like here we go again , only to observe shortly after that the hook on my fly had almost completely straighten out during the hookset , as I was feeling really proud of myself for accomplishing this I couldn't help but to think that the line had definitely had the 6% stretch rate as advertised to generate that kind of power to straighten out the hook like that . I dont have the pic with me at the moment but will post it later.

Here is a nice article on Fly line stretch, better than I could ever do lol https://www.flyfishingkingdom.com/fly-fishing-lines/the-science-behind-fly-line-stretch/

Rio info on fly line core and stretch rates https://farbank.com/pages/rio-know-your-core

Why even mess with the clear lines? Is this for some specific fisheries? My (admittedly limited) experience with SH has been finding them in spots that barely qualify as water let alone clear water.
 
Why even mess with the clear lines? Is this for some specific fisheries? My (admittedly limited) experience with SH has been finding them in spots that barely qualify as water let alone clear water.
I use a clear intermediate line at the beach. It was on closeout on the Orvis site for 20 bucks a few years ago. that's the only reason I use one.
 
Why even mess with the clear lines? Is this for some specific fisheries? My (admittedly limited) experience with SH has been finding them in spots that barely qualify as water let alone clear water.
They are very sensitive to any vibrations in the water around them, they hear the evil but won't be able to see the evil until my fly comes up. I want all their attention towards my fly not my line, plus sometimes I fish very pressured water, and a fly line is not very stealthy. Go on my Facebook group Fly Fishing for snakeheads and bowfin and check out the last video I posted that fish came up to check the commotion from my fly line.
 
Great post and replies! We all have to adapt our technique(s) to changes in manufacturing trends - that’s why lots of us like those “vintage” setups - because we pattern our techniques based on the familiarity and performance of these rod-reel-line-tippet setups. The rig you like the most is probably the rig you fish the most. Two semi related items regarding hooksets are rod length (shorter is a smaller arc for hooksets and also has more lifting power) and hook gape/wire size (both hook factors directly affect penetration) - solution: buy more gear!
 
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