PA vs WV Brown Trout Populations

Consider that West Virginia manages native brook trout using whole-watershed connectivity strategies, while Pennsylvania faces greater habitat fragmentation and narrower reach-by-reach management.

I believe this is the biggest factor.
Fully agree, TU and EBTJV have done some great things in WV. The Potomac headwaters brook trout are doing well.
 
Consider that West Virginia manages native brook trout using whole-watershed connectivity strategies, while Pennsylvania faces greater habitat fragmentation and narrower reach-by-reach management.

I believe this is the biggest factor.
We even have two whole watersheds protected for wild non native trout! Every one of those protected watersheds are a blast to fish as well. It’s a nice change to see brookies in nice sized streams compared to their headwater trickles that many are confined to. The Savage is in a similar boat, and is another of my favorite to fish.
 
We even have two whole watersheds protected for wild non native trout! Every one of those protected watersheds are a blast to fish as well. It’s a nice change to see brookies in nice sized streams compared to their headwater trickles that many are confined to.
I have noticed a lot of the WV streams Jon fishes are much larger streams than your typical PA native brook trout stream.
 
There’s spots like that in PA fellas. The fish are marginally smaller in PA (see discussion above), but Brookies (and little, to no Browns) in streams 50+ feet across definitely occur in PA. (Though there are probably more places like this in WV.)
 
For example, these fish, came from this stream. In PA.

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Great fish!! What do you think the common denominator is for those larger streams in PA that don’t have a ton of browns?

Acidity? Or just a case of a slow takeover that is still in the early stages?

Yes and yes.
 
For what it’s worth, I’ll be on a family trip around Labor Day to Blackwater/ Davis areas and have never been. If anyone wants to suggest a few places I can poke around with limited time, send me a PM. Otherwise I’ll be scouting around.
 
For what it’s worth, I’ll be on a family trip around Labor Day to Blackwater/ Davis areas and have never been. If anyone wants to suggest a few places I can poke around with limited time, send me a PM. Otherwise I’ll be scouting around.
I gotchu brother, I’m gonna shoot you a DM.
 
Great fish!! What do you think the common denominator is for those larger streams in PA that don’t have a ton of browns?

Acidity? Or just a case of a slow takeover that is still in the early stages?
Yes, acidity, which brings us back to geology. That is true in both WV and PA.
 
Great fish!! What do you think the common denominator is for those larger streams in PA that don’t have a ton of browns?

Acidity? Or just a case of a slow takeover that is still in the early stages?
Lack of buffering, snowier winters with more snow and more on the ground come the spring melt and more salt on the roads roads.
 
Yes, acidity, which brings us back to geology. That is true in both WV and PA.
Standing Stone Ck has very limited buffering capacity in the wild trout stretches above and below Detweiler Rn so it’s probably somewhat acidic at times given its location. I recall an early spring acid related fish kill when it was a stocked stream. It supports a respectable wild brown trout population, or at least it did in the late 1970’s.

As a leap of faith, I suspect that the E Br Standing Stone may be somewhat similar upstream from Greenwood Furnace Lake given its proximity.
You can easily find Wild trout survey East Branch Standing Stone Creek on YouTube.
 
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