Wonder why the feeshin’ ain’t what it wuz…

[JG63]

I’m tired of being the Lorax with this stuff - I can take you to thirty or so spots within a half hour of Mechanicsburg and show you the lack of key food chain items (bugs/crayfish/macro IV) and the subsequent dearth of baitfish, darters, panfish, and predatory fish - I can also highlight the overall LACK of Egrets, Great Blue Herons, Mergansers etc - the fish just aren’t around , and this has something to do with it:

https://www.lowersusquehannariverkeeper.org/2025bacteriamonitoringseasonenglish-1

 

[troutbert]

I clicked on the link and brought up the website, and maps of the monitoring sites, but can't find the reports/data.

 

[Mikey2006]

Data centers, warehouses, and housing developments aren’t helping things either

 

[JG63]

Data centers, warehouses, and housing developments aren’t helping things either

Amen - there are two data “campus” centers going up in Cumberland County one unopposed and another with a conservation group trying to fight the good fight

 

[JG63]

I clicked on the link and brought up the website, and maps of the monitoring sites, but can't find the reports/data.

I believe the data is collected by group members/sponsors and not readily available - not sure if they do their own field work or who is qualified - but I’m sure if the facts found were skewed, a government agency could be quick to correct the error - there are no quick and easy answers to these issues, but growing population, substandard sewage treatment, and urban sprawl these last 50+ years have had an undeniably bad effect on our waterways … somebody once said a third of the Earth’s waters will turn “bitter” …

 

[Mikey2006]

Amen - there are two data “campus” centers going up in Cumberland County one unopposed and another with a conservation group trying to fight the good fight

saw the “no data center” signs along the road the other day. Also seems like a new warehouse pops up every time I go down 81. They bought out some farmer and have been building a massive housing development less than a quarter mile from my favorite stretch of the falling spring fly only section (and the waters already been so low and the fishing’s been terrible there for over a year now already). 😕

 

[TimMurphy]

I believe the data is collected by group members/sponsors and not readily available - not sure if they do their own field work or who is qualified - but I’m sure if the facts found were skewed, a government agency could be quick to correct the error - there are no quick and easy answers to these issues, but growing population, substandard sewage treatment, and urban sprawl these last 50+ years have had an undeniably bad effect on our waterways … somebody once said a third of the Earth’s waters will turn “bitter” …

Dear JG63,

The first slide shows the map codes. Green dot = good, yellow = concern, and red = bad. Lot of red in York County but I already knew most them were full of crap! 😉

Regards,

Tim Murphy 🙂

 

[JG63]

Dear JG63,

The first slide shows the map codes. Green dot = good, yellow = concern, and red = bad. Lot of red in York County but I already knew most them were full of crap! 😉

Regards,

Tim Murphy 🙂

Amen bruddah!

 

[TimMurphy]

I clicked on the link and brought up the website, and maps of the monitoring sites, but can't find the reports/data.

Dear troutbert,

The first slide explains the maps. Green dots are low, yellow are moderate, and red are bad. They each have a range of e.coli per 100ml of water. Red has over 3 times the amount of green sites but I didn't see any green dots on the maps.

Regards,

Tim Murphy 🙂

 

[JG63]

saw the “no data center” signs along the road the other day. Also seems like a new warehouse pops up every time I go down 81. They bought out some farmer and have been building a massive housing development less than a quarter mile from my favorite stretch of the falling spring fly only section (and the waters already been so low and the fishing’s been terrible there for over a year now already). 😕

Yes - about those “housing development” projects - BOTH data centers are going where the land was originally zoned residential - then the buyer (with deep pockets) somehow had the zoning changed … almost like they knew what was going to happen … and everybody said “well it doesn’t affect me … so” meanwhile - research who bought TMI (yeah - that TMI) and why it is back in operation - again few care and anyone who does care cant afford the “good fight” for very long

 

[Yoder]

They need to start printing signs that say "No good paying jobs or progress!" Data centers and warehouses pay more that working at Dollar General.

 

[Fly-Swatter]

They need to start printing signs that say "No good paying jobs or progress!" Data centers and warehouses pay more that working at Dollar General.

For how many people, though? Also, will it be like the gas drilling boom where many of the better jobs were taken by folks from out of state?

 

[TimMurphy]

For how many people, though? Also, will it be like the gas drilling boom where many of the better jobs were taken by folks from out of state?

Or what about the many local businesses that saw magical neon dollar signs flashing during the fracking boom that have now collapsed. Now many new hotels were really needed in Sayre, Troy, and Tunkhannock?

I'm sick of stuff getting trashed so that some conglomerate company can make bank and bolt leaving the locals to cover the losses for the rest of eternity. In most cases the locals actually pay to the get the companies to come in and then suffer the ultimate insult by having to pay to undo their brief spree of destroying things.

JMJ, will we ever learn?

Regards,

Tim Murphy

 

[wildtrout2]

Reminds me of when I stayed at the Best Western in Lock Haven during the fracking heyday, almost every single work truck in that parking lot had out of state tags. And, there were a lot of them.

 

[rrt]

Also: liquid manure, agricultural chemicals.

 

[dudemanspecial]

They need to start printing signs that say "No good paying jobs or progress!" Data centers and warehouses pay more that working at Dollar General.

Data centers and warehouses are the byproduct of the elimination of many good jobs. It's progress for technology and capitalism, not the middle class workers.

 

[nymphingmaniac]

Data centers, warehouses, and housing developments aren’t helping things either

this website is likely hosted by a data center somewhere. You order from Amazon, Walmart... they used warehouses and data centers for supple chain management and..... wait for it...oh my..... AI.

 

[nymphingmaniac]

For how many people, though? Also, will it be like the gas drilling boom where many of the better jobs were taken by folks from out of state?

since PA, at the time, was quite new to fracking it makes sense companies would bring in experienced personnel to get things going. there is roughly 20-30K direct jobs, but the secondary jobs associated with the process is much higher. Estimates vary.

 

[Mikey2006]

this website is likely hosted by a data center somewhere. You order from Amazon, Walmart... they used warehouses and data centers for supple chain management and..... wait for it...oh my..... AI.

I don’t have a problem with ai or data centers themselves. Just stating that they aren’t helping the fishing any. They could also be built further away from some of our best fisheries

 

[TimMurphy]

I don’t have a problem with ai or data centers themselves. Just stating that they aren’t helping the fishing any. They could also be built further away from some of our best fisheries

Dear Mikey2006,

And therein lies the rub. It is much easier to force a rural community to accept the promise of jobs and tax relief, neither or which are real, than it is to pay market price for valuable land with existing power services.

If I were King, there would be an alternative. I'd welcome data centers to all the previously destroyed land occupied by dying or dead shopping malls. The power infrastructure is already largely in place. A little demolition work and you have a perfect parcel to redevelop.

But I ain't King, and people are stupid and gullible, especially when jobs and money are waved around like confetti. So, we are left with destroying acreage with nothing on it, because everything single GD square inch of land needs a monetary providing purpose, otherwise it is just wasted fallow land.

I'm glad I'm kind of old for the future is not too appealing.

Regards,

Tim Murphy 🙂