High holed - help me understand

I got low holed at the jam,downstream of McCoy Dam by someone who was dry fly fishing.
Normally,being from Philadelphia,where we learn to shoulder our way in to fish,out of necessity,it doesn’t bother me.I'm a friendly angler.
But this guy came down the bank and stepped right into my run !
No apology ,greeting,or anything.

But usually I am fine with it and enjoy a little banter and fly exchange.
I sometimes even invite people to fish through. My style of fishing doesn’t really compete with theirs

I have been known to catch trout a few feet upstream from high holers ,just to taunt them 🤣
 
i had a young dude high hole me last year. i was working my way up a run fishing dries and he came down the path between me and the head of the run and started walking right up the bank towards the top. i said yo man, i'm heading that way. he said so, what are you one of those Jersey guys? I was like, no i ain't from Jersey and i've been fishing this creek since long before you were born. He basically flipped me off and kept heading upstream. I reeled up and walked up to him, he patted his chest and said i got a gun. I honestly wanted to take it from him and beat him with it. I was f'n pissed!! i mean really, a punk is going to shoot someone over fishing? so that's hardcore high-holing for ya.
 
Someone please advise what the established distance between individuals is considered "high holed"
 
Lots of good takes here on this subject, and I think there are as many opinions as anglers. Etiquette and morals are subjective, to a certain extent.

So much depends on the type of fish, the type of stream/river/lake, the method of angling, and other factors. I think above all, if you see someone who acts in a way you would not want to act yourself, that speaks to the level of appropriateness. I would never walk into the same hole/riffle/water as another angler (unless we are fishing together), or fish the same drift 25 feet in front or behind another boat, or anchor next to another boat in a lake, etc. I would not do these things because I would not want others doing these things to me or my co-anglers.

It's just fishing, after all.
 
High hole is one of a dozen or so terms for impolite fishing. My core fishing group refers to it as googaning or just being a googan. Googan, I'm given to understand, is an insulting Irish term for rude angler. A tackle company has taken it up as a brand name in recent years.

What constitutes being a googan?

On Penns Creek at the height of the green drake hatch, it's someone who comes close enough that your lines can cross. On the Salmon River in Pulaski New York, it's someone whose less than two rod lengths away from you. On a stream that's not crowded, it's someone who fishes within sight of you.

The problem is different people have different definitions. If you're on a heavily fished, heavily stocked stream, very often it's a challenge to find a place to stand and make a cast on Memorial Day weekend, so someone expecting you to follow my guidelines for an uncrowded stream (no fishing within sight of me), that's crazy.

My preference is always to be fishing alone, but since we don't live in England, where you pay top dollar to have a beat to yourself, I'm out of luck. Mainly I just ask that you not fish for the trout I'm casting to, and you don't stomp through the creek and spook the trout I'm casting to.

In short, it's being considerate of your fellow anglers and, to the best of your ability, not interfering with their enjoyment of the day.
 
I got low holed at the jam,downstream of McCoy Dam by someone who was dry fly fishing.
Normally,being from Philadelphia,where we learn to shoulder our way in to fish,out of necessity,it doesn’t bother me.I'm a friendly angler.
But this guy came down the bank and stepped right into my run !
No apology ,greeting,or anything.

But usually I am fine with it and enjoy a little banter and fly exchange.
I sometimes even invite people to fish through. My style of fishing doesn’t really compete with theirs

I have been known to catch trout a few feet upstream from high holers ,just to taunt them 🤣
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i had a young dude high hole me last year. i was working my way up a run fishing dries and he came down the path between me and the head of the run and started walking right up the bank towards the top. i said yo man, i'm heading that way. he said so, what are you one of those Jersey guys? I was like, no i ain't from Jersey and i've been fishing this creek since long before you were born. He basically flipped me off and kept heading upstream. I reeled up and walked up to him, he patted his chest and said i got a gun. I honestly wanted to take it from him and beat him with it. I was f'n pissed!! i mean really, a punk is going to shoot someone over fishing? so that's hardcore high-holing for ya.
ur from Philly, little difference 😀
 
I try not to let being high-holed bother me. If I'm on a popular stocked stream or Penns, Little J, Spring, etc, then it is what it is. I figure we're all doing the same thing, and we're all just trying to enjoy ourselves. I don't mind sharing places like that.

Now if it's on a small wild trout stream that sees little pressure, it's an entirely different animal. That's totally a no-no and crossing the line.

At the end of the day though, it's just fishing, and I prefer the live and let live attitude.
 
I try not to let being high-holed bother me. If I'm on a popular stocked stream or Penns, Little J, Spring, etc, then it is what it is. I figure we're all doing the same thing, and we're all just trying to enjoy ourselves. I don't mind sharing places like that.

Now if it's on a small wild trout stream that sees little pressure, it's an entirely different animal. That's totally a no-no and crossing the line.

At the end of the day though, it's just fishing, and I prefer the live and let live attitude.
I agree with this comment.
I was on a popular stream area last Fall when two hikers wanted their dogs to swim where I was fishing. They asked if I minded them swimming one hole away (which was in close proximity). At first I was PO’d a bit, but they did ask and I said yes. I have a dog too and what dog owner doesn’t like to see other dogs happy?
A couple weeks later I was in a much more remote area of that stream where I never see fisherman. I saw another fly fisherman. We stayed totally clear of each other; we both retreated from the direction we hiked from and never made contact.
 
I used to let this bother me, but it doesn’t anymore. If someone gets too close to me, I just move. I don’t say anything, period. I don’t say hi, I don’t say how ya doin?, I don’t engage. I just walk away. It’s a nothing burger. I’ve caught plenty of fish and know where to go and how to catch more if someone encroaches too close on me.

I don’t Trout fish the big popular streams more than a couple times a year. I don’t expect solitude, and neither should anyone else on those. A general rule of thumb is to read the conditions and crowds that day. Drakes on Penns, as long as I have enough room to safely cast as far as I want/need to/can and not endanger myself, or anyone else, I’m fine. So what is that, 30 or 40 yards maybe? Either the fish are going nuts and everyone is catching them and doesn’t care how close anyone else is to them, or, it’s dead and no one is catching anything. And then at least you have company closeby to have a beer with and ***** about the lack of action. When Penns (for example) is on, and everyone’s into them, I kinda enjoy the camaraderie with the crowds…help your neighbor net a big fish, or take a pic for him, etc. Hey that fish just tore up my last Drake pattern…That’s cool I have a few extra, here ya go, etc. It can be fun. March, in snow squalls, and there’s 3 vehicles total in the lot, I shouldn’t be able to see you, and you shouldn’t be able to see me. Highly situationally dependent.

On Brookie streams, if you know there is another angler already on the stream, unless you’re certain you know where they are and what their intentions are, and you fully yield the right of way to them, you should leave and pick a new stream altogether. The guy there first has the right of way, period. Set your alarm earlier. If you see a vehicle in an area that is likely an angler, but you’re not sure and/or you don’t know where they are, you should assume they are an angler, and punt and go to your plan B stream for the day. Kind of a Brookie angler code. Brookie anglers don’t hop in on other Brookie anglers.

On opening day on a popular STW, or Steelhead fishing during a run, elbow to elbow may be acceptable. Again, highly situationally dependent. The least common denominator is reading the situation, and the crowds, and putting yourself in the angler’s shoes who was there fishing first. If you wouldn’t appreciate someone coming that close to you for the given circumstances, then you’re too close. But yes this varies greatly based on crowds, conditions, and the type of stream.
 
I agree with this comment.
I was on a popular stream area last Fall when two hikers wanted their dogs to swim where I was fishing. They asked if I minded them swimming one hole away (which was in close proximity). At first I was PO’d a bit, but they did ask and I said yes. I have a dog too and what dog owner doesn’t like to see other dogs happy?
A couple weeks later I was in a much more remote area of that stream where I never see fisherman. I saw another fly fisherman. We stayed totally clear of each other; we both retreated from the direction we hiked from and never made contact.
I was fishing a popular park near Buffalo and a couple ladies came down and asked if their dog swimming would mess me up. I told them it's more park than fishing area and of course, let him have at it! Well they then informed me that it was his final swim, they were on their way to the vet for him to be put down! We were all broken up watching him splash around
 
Depending on my plans and the action of the current angler I will either move down to the next area of interest, which might only be 100' or so away, or I might pop in right above or below.

If they're going down and I'm going up, that's easy. Same if it's the inverse.

I had someone lowhole me while I was actively, clearly, moving downstream. Cast, sweep, step, repeat. I went right through the pool and next to his line with the comment, "you should pay attention next time."

He was confused some people go downstream. Not my problem.
 
On Brookie streams, if you know there is another angler already on the stream, unless you’re certain you know where they are and what their intentions are, and you fully yield the right of way to them, you should leave and pick a new stream altogether. The guy there first has the right of way, period. Set your alarm earlier. If you see a vehicle in an area that is likely an angler, but you’re not sure and/or you don’t know where they are, you should assume they are an angler, and punt and go to your plan B stream for the day. Kind of a Brookie angler code. Brookie anglers don’t hop in on other Brookie anglers.
That's sound philosophy, but unfortunately some folks just don't abide by it.
 
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