From English Chalk Streams to PA Trout Streams. A struggling angler Looking for Advice!

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Note: This is kind of a longer more detailed version of my introduction post as I didn’t want to go into full detail there. Apologies if it’s in the wrong forum. Let me know if there’s a better section!


Hello guys,


I’m a UK and US citizen who’s spent my life going back between the two countries. I moved back to PA in September after two years in the UK, where i learned to fly fish on the Cotswolds chalk streams, mainly the Frome and Coln.

They’re small, clear, easily waded rivers with slower pools and obvious holding water. Many have upstream dry fly only rules and little public access. I’ve mostly fished dries and nymphs, with almost no streamer experience due to restrictions, although I prefer them anyway.

My parents live in Monroe County, so I spend weekends exploring nearby trout streams. I was excited about PA’s public access and bigger rivers, but I’ve struggled since returning.


Around Hickory Run, the small tannic streams leave me wondering where fish hold. Meanwhile, sections of the Brodhead and Bushkill have been too fast and difficult to wade.


I’m feeling like Goldilocks. The big water’s too big, the small water’s too small, and I can’t seem to find anything familiar!


After an unsuccessful Bushkill trip, I donated for a Resica Falls fishing pass to try further upstream. The receipt said my pass would follow, but nothing arrived, and multiple emails to the listed ranger have gone unanswered.


I’ve bought PA fishing books and spent nights researching, yet often end up back at the one creek where I’ve caught fish. Across five or six full-day outings, I’ve caught one wild brown and eight or nine stocked or holdover rainbows. Still no wild brook trout, despite several trips targeting them. I’d expected my experience with tricky English browns to translate better!


I’d appreciate advice on adapting chalk stream tactics and finding smaller, clear, slower to medium-flowing water around Monroe County, especially for wild brook trout.


My blue-lining attempts have led to inaccessible or practically unfishable streams. I’m used to England’s permission and day-ticket system, so figuring out legal access here is another challenge.


I’m not asking anyone to spot burn their favourite spots (although I wouldn’t be complaining if someone privately messaged me their secret spot where they regularly catch trophy brook trout!), but advice beyond “check the Class A list” or “go blue lining” would help.


How do you guys go about finding good, accessible trout water and identifying where fish might hold? I’ve tried books, apps and online maps, but I’m finding it hard to know how reliable some of the information is, especially when books might be outdated or don’t account for fish kills and changes in trout populations. Where do you go for more up-to-date, local knowledge? I’ve visited a couple of fly shops, but are there any other places to meet local anglers, ask questions in person or get advice on waters worth exploring? I’m still figuring out how to go about asking these questions without expecting people to give away their spots.


Thanks everyone, and tight lines!
 
Look at that Natural Reproduction or Class A lists, find areas on public land, and go check them out. Or, check the stocking reports. That will be fishable water, and a lot of stocked streams are also wild trout streams.

Figuring out where trout hold isn't too hard. Look for current breaks, riffles, pools, some depth, etc. Just go fish. You'll figure it out.

Watch out for redds this time of year.

Edit: sorry. I didn't read your whole post. I see you said you wanted more than "check the class A list." PA has lots of water. Just go exploring. Set aside time, and taylor your expectations to the conditions. Right now, creeks are LOW!
 
So, one thing to consider-

Hire a respected, knowledgeable guide specializing in what you're after to show you the ropes, get you on different waters. Not cheap, but a few sessions would undoubtedly help you crack the code.

Almost 20 yrs ago, I wanted to get into 'conventional' musky fishing. I read and watched everything I could on the topic, but still could not quite pull it off such that I felt I was making any headway. I finally broke down and hired a guide for a full day, and that was just what I needed. While we did not catch any monsters that day, we caught a few, and had lots of thrilling follows. Not long after that, I caught my 1st musky solo.

Another thing to keep in mind, this can be a tougher time of the year for this game. The learning curve can be steeper as fish are becoming sluggish in soon to be winter chilled waters, with less predictable insect activity. I do best from about now, til March, with a team of wets fished downstream and across in what might be called 'the traditional manner', or stripping a streamer through deep holes.

Joe
 
I've stood on a bridge in Bibury and watched trout in the Coln but have never fished it. Despite having spent lots of time in England, I've never done any trout fishing there.

One thing that comes to mind is that the trout you encounter blue lining are spooky. They can often be easily caught if they don't see you. If they see you, though, it's game over.

I fish the CV limestoners a bit. They'll be the closest thing we have to chalk streams. Those trout are spooky, too, but I'd say the blue line trout are spookier. Your presentation has to be from directly downstream in most instances.

I'm not sure I've ever fished in Monroe county so I can't give any specific advice but there is a lot of trout water in that area. @Kms has a good map. You can also use the PFBC's interactive trout map or try Trout Routes. Access is pretty easy to find in this state.

One thing to keep in mind is that we have lots of trout in PA but the wild fish are not push overs. There seems to be a general consensus with anglers from other areas, especially out west, that if you can consistently catch trout here you can do it anywhere trout call home.

You'll get it figured out. Don't let the learning curve get you down. When in doubt, high stick some heavily weighted nymphs deep in the pocket water. It's my least favorite way to fish but the best way to put fish in the net.
 
Dear CotswoldChalkstreamer,

First and foremost, if your trips have been within the last few weeks there are several things that easily limit success. Those being low water, and the movement of trout into spawning mode.

Perspective is important. If you dropped me on the Coln River in England and said, "have at it, lad," I'd likely be clueless and frustrated.

There aren't many long flat pool sections in Pocono streams like you have in the UK. You need to look for depth changes and current seams to find deeper pockets where the fish are holding. Current breaks are important and you can see them by following foam lines. Fish hold adjacent to larger rocks or wood debris in the stream. Sight fishing in the Pocono streams is not common unless the fish are actively engaging in eating mayflies or caddis flies. You need to just nymph fish the holding lies much of the time.

You'll figure it out, I'm sure. Just be patient and fish methodically and things will come together.

Regards,

Tim Murphy 🙂
 
In between streams in that area that'd I recommend are Pohopoco below beltzville dam, mcmichaels, lackawanna, and the lehigh (below dam) flows are very nice right now. They were even nicer before recent rain.
 
CotswoldChalkstreamer:

First off, WELCOME!!!

A couple of things...

You will hard pressed to find any streams similar to English chalk streams in Monroe County (however, there is one that comes immediately to mind), but opportunities abound at just about any stream in the Poconos.

First of all, make contact with the Brodhead Chapter of Trout Unlimited. I was a member many years ago and the group membership should be able to provide you with a wealth of information on fishing in the Poconos.

Second, reach out to Don Baylor. Don is a founding member of Brodhead TU, an extremely knowledgeable angler, especially when it comes to Pocono streams, an all around good bloke and mate of mine from those Brodhead TU days.

If there is ANYONE who can point you to opportunities and ideas, it's Don and while you are at it, ask him about chalk streams in the Poconos... 😉

Luckily for you, an educational and Don Baylor opportunity knocks just a few days from now if you can make it to the Brodhead Creek Heritage Center, 539 Cherry Lane Road, East Stroudsburg on November 11 when chapter founding member Don Baylor presents “Pennsylvania Stream Science.”

If you can make it to the presentation, when time allows introduce yourself to Don and the members and ask him & them for some guidance.

In regards to your never received Resica Falls Fishing Permit; call the Cradle of Liberty Council of the Boy Scouts of America:

Cradle of Liberty Council Boy Scouts of America
901 E 8th Ave #103, King of Prussia, PA 19406
Phone: (610) 688-6900

They are the folks that should have mailed you the permit. You also may want to try and call the Ranger's office at Resica Falls:

Phone: (570) 223-8312

In regards to fishing, two streams in Monroe County were stocked with trout in October. The Bushkill Creek from Route 209 down to the mouth at the Delaware River and the Brodhead Creek from the mouth of McMichael's Creek upstream to Brodhead Creek Park.

Neither are anything like a chalk stream, but there still should be fish to target. If it was me fishing, I would try some generic nymphs, a streamer or two and be on the lookout for sporadic hatches of Blue Winged Olives

Good luck and welcome aboard!
 
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Look at that Natural Reproduction or Class A lists, find areas on public land, and go check them out. Or, check the stocking reports. That will be fishable water, and a lot of stocked streams are also wild trout streams.

Figuring out where trout hold isn't too hard. Look for current breaks, riffles, pools, some depth, etc. Just go fish. You'll figure it out.

Watch out for redds this time of year.

Edit: sorry. I didn't read your whole post. I see you said you wanted more than "check the class A list." PA has lots of water. Just go exploring. Set aside time, and taylor your expectations to the conditions. Right now, creeks are LOW!
Thanks for the advice! Yeah, I think one of my main takeaways so far is that the low water and time of year are probably bigger factors in my struggles than anything else.
 
So, one thing to consider-

Hire a respected, knowledgeable guide specializing in what you're after to show you the ropes, get you on different waters. Not cheap, but a few sessions would undoubtedly help you crack the code.

Almost 20 yrs ago, I wanted to get into 'conventional' musky fishing. I read and watched everything I could on the topic, but still could not quite pull it off such that I felt I was making any headway. I finally broke down and hired a guide for a full day, and that was just what I needed. While we did not catch any monsters that day, we caught a few, and had lots of thrilling follows. Not long after that, I caught my 1st musky solo.

Another thing to keep in mind, this can be a tougher time of the year for this game. The learning curve can be steeper as fish are becoming sluggish in soon to be winter chilled waters, with less predictable insect activity. I do best from about now, til March, with a team of wets fished downstream and across in what might be called 'the traditional manner', or stripping a streamer through deep holes.

Joe
Thanks Joe. I definitely need to improve my streamer fishing, as I’ve genuinely never caught a fish on one due to the restrictions on the waters I fished in England. I’ve done a bit of swinging wets in Scotland for salmon, so I’m somewhat familiar with that, but I’ve still got plenty to learn.

Edit: in regards to a guide. I am looking into going on a trip before it gets too cold!! If you reccomend anyone let me know. I can travel all around so CV or NEPA or whatever area is fine I’m interested in getting out as much as possible
 
I've stood on a bridge in Bibury and watched trout in the Coln but have never fished it. Despite having spent lots of time in England, I've never done any trout fishing there.

One thing that comes to mind is that the trout you encounter blue lining are spooky. They can often be easily caught if they don't see you. If they see you, though, it's game over.

I fish the CV limestoners a bit. They'll be the closest thing we have to chalk streams. Those trout are spooky, too, but I'd say the blue line trout are spookier. Your presentation has to be from directly downstream in most instances.

I'm not sure I've ever fished in Monroe county so I can't give any specific advice but there is a lot of trout water in that area. @Kms has a good map. You can also use the PFBC's interactive trout map or try Trout Routes. Access is pretty easy to find in this state.

One thing to keep in mind is that we have lots of trout in PA but the wild fish are not push overs. There seems to be a general consensus with anglers from other areas, especially out west, that if you can consistently catch trout here you can do it anywhere trout call home.

You'll get it figured out. Don't let the learning curve get you down. When in doubt, high stick some heavily weighted nymphs deep in the pocket water. It's my least favorite way to fish but the best way to put fish in the net.
Small world! Bibury is a lovely little town, and the trout farm there is one of the oldest in England, I believe. My favourite spot on the Coln is actually Fairford, just a few miles downstream near RAF Fairford. The Bull Hotel there is a historic coaching inn that’s been a destination for trout anglers since at least the 1800s.

They offer about 1¼ miles of fishing on the coln starting in farmland and ending at the medieval towns center. for around £45 for a half day or £60 for a full day, which is one of the best prices you’ll find for chalk stream fishing in southern England. (I know those prices might sound insane to Americans, but I’ve seen day tickets on some of the historic beats of the Test and Itchen go for up to £500 for a single person during prime mayfly season!)

If it wasn’t obvious already, England has centuries of history tied up in land ownership, class and sporting traditions, and unfortunately a lot of these old pastimes have ended up becoming rich men’s games. Fly fishing is probably one of the best examples of this, particularly on the famous chalk streams.


Anyway, the Coln at Fairford is some of the most picturesque water I’ve ever fished. I wouldn’t necessarily recommend travelling to England specifically for fly fishing (go to Scotland instead!) but if you’re ever in London or the south of England for business or pleasure, Fairford is well worth the trip. The town itself is a beautiful example of a traditional Cotswold town, and the Bull is a great place to stay for a few nights, or just come for a meal and a day’s fishing!


The Cumberland Valley limestoners are definitely on my list too. I’ve read quite a bit about their history and watched plenty of videos on them, especially as they seem to be the closest thing here to the waters I’m familiar with. There’s so much trout water in PA compared to England that I feel like I don’t have enough time in my life to explore everything within an hour of Monroe County, let alone get out to Cumberland Valley! I’m definitely spoiled for choice here.


Thanks for the map suggestions as well. One thing that’s confused me quite a bit is how public access and posted land work here. In England, you generally need explicit permission or a day ticket to fish anywhere, regardless of whether there’s a sign. So when I’d read people on here talking about streams becoming posted by landowners, I was confused about how people had been fishing them without permission in the first place.


I’ve been reading up on PA’s navigable water laws and think I’m finally beginning to understand how they work, although I’m still a bit confused about accessing private land that isn’t posted. With hunting season underway and stories I’ve heard from friends in the Poconos about confrontations with landowners, I’m pretty hesitant to wander onto someone’s property simply because there aren’t any posted signs.


For all the problems with England’s restrictive access laws, one thing I did appreciate was knowing exactly where I was and wasn’t allowed to fish. I much prefer the opportunities for public access here, but I’m still getting used to how everything works. If you or anyone else has advice on how anglers generally approach access to unposted land here, I’d appreciate it.


Thanks again for all the advice. I appreciate you taking the time to respond.
 
Dear CotswoldChalkstreamer,

First and foremost, if your trips have been within the last few weeks there are several things that easily limit success. Those being low water, and the movement of trout into spawning mode.

Perspective is important. If you dropped me on the Coln River in England and said, "have at it, lad," I'd likely be clueless and frustrated.

There aren't many long flat pool sections in Pocono streams like you have in the UK. You need to look for depth changes and current seams to find deeper pockets where the fish are holding. Current breaks are important and you can see them by following foam lines. Fish hold adjacent to larger rocks or wood debris in the stream. Sight fishing in the Pocono streams is not common unless the fish are actively engaging in eating mayflies or caddis flies. You need to just nymph fish the holding lies much of the time.

You'll figure it out, I'm sure. Just be patient and fish methodically and things will come together.

Regards,

Tim Murphy 🙂
Thanks Tim. Yes adjusting to not sight fishing is a new skill that I need to learn. I have spent way too much time on recent days out trying to spot fish. and I really need to be focused more on moving past holes quicker and fishing the structure more thoroughly instead of wasting my time looking at nothing!
 
In between streams in that area that'd I recommend are Pohopoco below beltzville dam, mcmichaels, lackawanna, and the lehigh (below dam) flows are very nice right now. They were even nicer before recent rain.
Thank you yes all on my list. The po is my local waters and I always have success there but it’s usually rainbows and the access isn’t great from what I see. Apart from the pull offs right by saw mill run by the dam access seems so be pretty spotty.

Others im yet to try but I will definitely in the near future hopefully before it gets too cold for me!
 
CotswoldChalkstreamer:

First off, WELCOME!!!

A couple of things...

You will hard pressed to find any streams similar to English chalk streams in Monroe County (however, there is one that comes immediately to mind), but opportunities abound at just about any stream in the Poconos.

First of all, make contact with the Brodhead Chapter of Trout Unlimited. I was a member many years ago and the group membership should be able to provide you with a wealth of information on fishing in the Poconos.

Second, reach out to Don Baylor. Don is a founding member of Brodhead TU, an extremely knowledgeable angler, especially when it comes to Pocono streams, an all around good bloke and mate of mine from those Brodhead TU days.

If there is ANYONE who can point you to opportunities and ideas, it's Don and while you are at it, ask him about chalk streams in the Poconos... 😉

Luckily for you, an educational and Don Baylor opportunity knocks just a few days from now if you can make it to the Brodhead Creek Heritage Center, 539 Cherry Lane Road, East Stroudsburg on November 11 when chapter founding member Don Baylor presents “Pennsylvania Stream Science.”

If you can make it to the presentation, when time allows introduce yourself to Don and the members and ask him & them for some guidance.

In regards to your never received Resica Falls Fishing Permit; call the Cradle of Liberty Council of the Boy Scouts of America:

Cradle of Liberty Council Boy Scouts of America
901 E 8th Ave #103, King of Prussia, PA 19406
Phone: (610) 688-6900

They are the folks that should have mailed you the permit. You also may want to try and call the Ranger's office at Resica Falls:

Phone: (570) 223-8312

In regards to fishing, two streams in Monroe County were stocked with trout in October. The Bushkill Creek from Route 209 down to the mouth at the Delaware River and the Brodhead Creek from the mouth of McMichael's Creek upstream to Brodhead Creek Park.

Neither are anything like a chalk stream, but there still should be fish to target. If it was me fishing, I would try some generic nymphs, a streamer or two and be on the lookout for sporadic hatches of Blue Winged Olives

Good luck and welcome aboard!
First off, thank you so much for taking the time to write such a detailed response! There’s a lot of useful information here, and I genuinely appreciate it.


You’ve certainly got me curious about the one stream in Monroe County that immediately came to mind! I have a sneaking suspicion I might know which one you’re referring to, particularly if it’s one of the smaller creeks around East Stroudsburg. If it’s what I’m thinking of I have a trip planned there tomorrow! I won’t go naming names on here, but if you or Don feel like giving me a nudge in the right direction, I’d be more than grateful!


I’d definitely love to get involved with the Brodhead Chapter of Trout Unlimited and become a member. Unfortunately, I work weekdays down in Philadelphia, which makes getting up to the Poconos for weekday events difficult. I’m particularly disappointed about missing Don’s presentation on Pennsylvania Stream Science on the 11th. Do you happen to know if these presentations are recorded, livestreamed, or uploaded anywhere afterwards? I’d genuinely love to watch it.


It’s funny you mention Don Baylor, actually. I first read your reply during my lunch break at work today, and then, on my way home this evening, I stopped into TCO Fly Shop in Bryn Mawr. I ended up chatting with some of the lads in the shop about English chalk streams, fishing in Pennsylvania, and much of the same stuff I’ve been discussing in this thread. Completely out of the blue, one of the other customers brought up Don Baylor! The name immediately rang a bell, but I couldn’t remember why, so I pulled out my phone and checked. Sure enough, there was his name in your reply from only a few hours earlier! Twice in one day, from two completely unrelated people. His reputation clearly precedes him! Not only as an angler but also a great artist too! I’m now even more keen to meet him and pick his brain whenever I get the opportunity.


And if he genuinely knows of anything resembling a chalk stream in the Poconos, please tell him I’m willing to part with an arm and a leg for the information! (Although I’d prefer to keep both for wading and casting purposes.)


I was actually fishing at the Brodhead Creek Heritage Center the other day. I hooked two brown trout and managed to lose both, including one particularly embarrassing incident where I couldn’t get my net off my belt in time! So I’m already familiar with the location, and I’d love to return for a TU event rather than another lesson in how not to land a trout!


Another reason I’m interested in getting involved with the chapter, particularly with people knowledgeable about stream ecology and habitat, is that my family owns some land with a tiny tributary running through it that eventually feeds into the Pohopoco Creek upstream of beltzville. We’ve never done much with it but since returning from England, I’ve become increasingly interested in whether there’s anything we might do to improve its habitat. I’d love to learn whether it has any potential to support native brook trout, provide nursery habitat for juvenile trout, or otherwise contribute to the health of the wider watershed. Even if trout aren’t a realistic possibility, I’d still be interested in learning how best to manage and protect it. That’s another reason Don’s stream science presentation sounds right up my alley! Such a shame it’s a weeknight


Regarding Resica Falls, thank you for the contact information. I’ll give them a ring tomorrow and hopefully get the permit situation sorted.


And yes, I did notice that both Bushkill Creek and Brodhead Creek received their autumn stockings! I actually visited both within a few days of stocking, but unfortunately my timing wasn’t ideal. We’d had a fair amount of rain in early October, and the water was still high and coloured when I visited. Between that and my limited local knowledge, I spent a lot of time exploring on maps and turning up at stretches that weren’t particularly fishable under those conditions. I definitely owe both streams another visit now that the water has settled down. Hopefully I’ll have a bit more luck next time!


Anyway, thank you again for all the information and recommendations. This is exactly the sort of local knowledge and conversation I was hoping to find when I joined the forum. I appreciate you taking the time to help a newcomer find his feet, and hopefully I’ll get the opportunity to meet more people on here and some of the Brodhead TU members in person before too long!
 
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The Cumberland Valley limestoners are definitely on my list too. I’ve read quite a bit about their history and watched plenty of videos on them, especially as they seem to be the closest thing here to the waters I’m familiar with.
The Cumberland valley still offers good fishing but I suspect you will be disappointed if you show up expecting to experience the incredible hatches and giant fish described in all the books and stories. Rapid development has really done a number on pretty much every stream in the area. It’s definitely an area worth visiting and it’s very challenging but rewarding fishing. Some beautiful water if you can overlook the sound of interstate 81 and the massive warehouses looming in the backround 😕
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Thanks Joe. I definitely need to improve my streamer fishing, as I’ve genuinely never caught a fish on one due to the restrictions on the waters I fished in England. I’ve done a bit of swinging wets in Scotland for salmon, so I’m somewhat familiar with that, but I’ve still got plenty to learn.

Edit: in regards to a guide. I am looking into going on a trip before it gets too cold!! If you reccomend anyone let me know. I can travel all around so CV or NEPA or whatever area is fine I’m interested in getting out as much as possible
I wish I could recommend a guide in PA, but as you get to know me, you'll learn I'm a PA ex-pat exiled 800 miles away in Iowa. I get back to PA multiple times per year to visit, since moving here in 2003. And, lately, more often than not, I flyfish when I'm back. That said, I think where I land in PA (Altoona/Johnstown area) is a few hours west of your home turf. Though I am no guide, and as remote as the possibility may be, I would be happy to have you join me on the water someday; and share what I have learned about flyfishing-mostly in PA, and the upper midwest, with a little New England, Great Plains, and Rocky Mtns experiences thrown in-over the last 35 yrs. You're getting some good info already on here from lots of good local folks; I suspect someone knows, and can suggest a reputable guide. I seldom use guides, but when I hit that proverbial 'brick wall', I have found some time with a respected guru is time well spent.

Joe
 
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Small world! Bibury is a lovely little town, and the trout farm there is one of the oldest in England, I believe. My favourite spot on the Coln is actually Fairford, just a few miles downstream near RAF Fairford. The Bull Hotel there is a historic coaching inn that’s been a destination for trout anglers since at least the 1800s.

My inlaws live in Melksham and my MIL's family is all in Witney so I've spent quite a bit of time in the general area.

I've been to England many times in the last 25 years and have never committed to giving fly fishing a try there. I think I'll make it happen next time I'm there in the summer.

Regarding access here, cross referencing stocked waters with natural reproduction will put you onto waters that are open to the public and have wild fish. There are also plenty of streams within state owned lands. As far as navigable (feet wet) waters, I think it is limited to the Lehigh in your area.

I do most of my fishing on publicly owned land. The private land I fish is either open through stocking or locally known to be open to fishing. I wouldn't go exploring places you're unsure of this time of year.

Outside of rising fish, the practicality of sight fishing in PA is limited. You're going to want to get comfortable with prospecting to find success on many of the trout streams here.
 
Thanks Joe. I definitely need to improve my streamer fishing, as I’ve genuinely never caught a fish on one due to the restrictions on the waters I fished in England. I’ve done a bit of swinging wets in Scotland for salmon, so I’m somewhat familiar with that, but I’ve still got plenty to learn.

Edit: in regards to a guide. I am looking into going on a trip before it gets too cold!! If you reccomend anyone let me know. I can travel all around so CV or NEPA or whatever area is fine I’m interested in getting out as much as possible
I like Joe, and I'm not discrediting his advice. If a guide is your thing, then by all means, hire one. I can't say I recommend it, though, and here is why:

1) we have a tremendous amount of public access, so you don't need to pay to get on a good "beat" only offered by a guide.
2) in 99% of our streams, the fish are relatively easy to catch, and generic nymphs, dries, and streamers will catch fish just about anywhere. Just hone your skills and presentation, and you'll start catching fish. These are basic fly fishing skills, not a deep secret only a guide can teach you.
3) most waters are easily accessed and waded, so it's not like you're gaining an advantage like you might out west where a guide puts all the work in of dealing with the drift boat, etc.

Just my 2 cents.
 
I like Joe, and I'm not discrediting his advice. If a guide is your thing, then by all means, hire one. I can't say I recommend it, though, and here is why:

1) we have a tremendous amount of public access, so you don't need to pay to get on a good "beat" only offered by a guide.
2) in 99% of our streams, the fish are relatively easy to catch, and generic nymphs, dries, and streamers will catch fish just about anywhere. Just hone your skills and presentation, and you'll start catching fish. These are basic fly fishing skills, not a deep secret only a guide can teach you.
3) most waters are easily accessed and waded, so it's not like you're gaining an advantage like you might out west where a guide puts all the work in of dealing with the drift boat, etc.

Just my 2 cents.

Josh,

Just to be very clear-not trying to play 'tit for tat' here-and, I like to think we can 'agree to disagree' and still sit together at the bar. Ok, just wanted to get that out of the way. 🤠

I sensed in his post he might be 'hitting the proverbial brick wall': when I hit that point, which is also like close to discouragement for me-in something I am really wanting to get down-I seek the advice of a pro. 9/10, I just needed to see and experience the process-whether its finding structure where muskies like to ambush prey in a lake-or pulling bearings off farm machinery. Not so much any advantage in tools or equipment in both those personal examples, more that watchful supervision-correction-and training-from someone in the know, as it were: in a skill or understanding that I was obviously falling short in.

Sometimes, its not so much 'a deep secret', as it is you just don't quite get it: you lacked specific mentoring, or you never had the opportunity to be successful. Over times of experiencing repeated 'failure', or perpetual frustration, that can sometimes lead to discouragement, and abandonement of the sport, or 'course of study', as it were. We don't want that.

Look, it doesn't need to be a guide strictly speaking. Maybe involvement in a club, or on here, will lead to some experienced buddies showing him the ropes to breakthrough his impasse?

Joe
 
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