albud1962
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Dunbar Creek, Fayette County 3-21-09
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Woolybugger
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Pretty stream, but way too shallow.
In SE PA we are already 6" below with the water tables.
Nobody wants to admit that Climate Change or Global Warming is here...... but the trout streams really show it.
I'll bet that Muddy Creek Forks, regular section, only stocks half the trout they usually do. The water is so stinkin' shallow and no room for trout to live. It was for the last several years!!
The Muddy Creek Special Regs is only 6" deep in most spots!!
What few trout remain all hide in a couple pools so the herons and hawks don't get them.
It makes me wonder what is happening with the streams in PA.
In SE PA we are already 6" below with the water tables.
Nobody wants to admit that Climate Change or Global Warming is here...... but the trout streams really show it.
I'll bet that Muddy Creek Forks, regular section, only stocks half the trout they usually do. The water is so stinkin' shallow and no room for trout to live. It was for the last several years!!
The Muddy Creek Special Regs is only 6" deep in most spots!!
What few trout remain all hide in a couple pools so the herons and hawks don't get them.
It makes me wonder what is happening with the streams in PA.
pcray1231
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Wooly,
While I'm a believer in global warming, you can't use specific examples to prove the case one way or another. There were always droughts and wet periods, warm and cool seasons, and there always will be. In no way can you use even a several week, even several month exceptional period and attribute it to either side of the argument. It takes years, perhaps decades, of measurement, and you're looking for averages, not peaks and valleys, that are higher and statistically significant. Its a noisy system, the standard deviation is much higher than the signal you're after, and thus you need boatloads of data.
Thats the biggest mistake both sides make in that debate. The skeptics look at this colder than average winter and say that look, there is no global warming. Thats a faulty view, but no more faulty than using a drought, warm spell, specific glacier melting, or a hurricane. Unfortunately science has been stripped out of the entire debate and its now just a political football.
While I'm a believer in global warming, you can't use specific examples to prove the case one way or another. There were always droughts and wet periods, warm and cool seasons, and there always will be. In no way can you use even a several week, even several month exceptional period and attribute it to either side of the argument. It takes years, perhaps decades, of measurement, and you're looking for averages, not peaks and valleys, that are higher and statistically significant. Its a noisy system, the standard deviation is much higher than the signal you're after, and thus you need boatloads of data.
Thats the biggest mistake both sides make in that debate. The skeptics look at this colder than average winter and say that look, there is no global warming. Thats a faulty view, but no more faulty than using a drought, warm spell, specific glacier melting, or a hurricane. Unfortunately science has been stripped out of the entire debate and its now just a political football.
albatross
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AlBud,
Nice that you got into some fish. I have not been to Dunbar yet this year, but I should get there in April some time.
All our SW PA streams (and I imagine the rest of the state) are setting historic low flows for this time of year. Thankfully its cool and the trout seem to be holding on OK.
Nice that you got into some fish. I have not been to Dunbar yet this year, but I should get there in April some time.
All our SW PA streams (and I imagine the rest of the state) are setting historic low flows for this time of year. Thankfully its cool and the trout seem to be holding on OK.
Dunbar Creek is a sad case. I live in Michigan now, but I grew up in Elizabeth, PA. My fishing of Dunbar was almost all during, and just after, WWII, when we fished there almost exclusively (gas rationing precluded going any further). The stream had MUCH more water in it then. Imagine it with 5 to 10 times the amount of water that is in it in the pictures shown here. We wore hip boots, and it was quite common for someone to go in over his boot tops. These days the fishing is mostly in the "deep" holes. Then, there was fishing in the holes, provided there were flies hatching, but the real fishing was in the pockets between the holes. There were fish everywhere, lots of them. They were all spread out, even upstream way beyond the end of the dirt road. I have been back off and on for the past 20 years or so, and the stream has always been ridiculously low compared to the old days. It looks like the water is permanently gone.
