1 wt Orvis

I own three 1wts.
7' 6" original Orvis Superfine
8' Orvis Trident TL
7'10" Sage TLX
All are nice to cast, with the Sage and Trident having more backbone and ability to fish lighter tandem rigs. I purchased more than one 1wt because of the ability of finding lines as anything lighter is nearly impossible. but have always been intrigued with the 0-000 lines.
All the rods have landed fish over 18". I usually bring them out mid summer for fishing North Central PA.
Orvis CFO 1 and CFO 123 click and paw are the reels matched to those. I have a spare spool loaded with 2wt line for my Winston.
Those 0-000 rods and lines were so pricy and rare. I had these visions of potential redbreast safaris and 7” brook trout doubling my rod and maybe even letting them pull a little drag. But when I looked at the prices I figured I’d wait. The gimic would wear off and prices would come down I hoped. That just never happened. Sage discontinuing the 00 and 000 just shot up the prices and rarity. Seems anyone who has one isn’t willing to part with it. I completely agree though that the 0-000weights are intriguing. I think the guys that are against these rods for big trout don’t really understand them. They aren’t for big trout. A 000 weight is for a place where a 10” fish is big. Or maybe bluegill. It is just a novelty for getting more fun out of tiny fish. It is gonna cast like a turd. Fight fish like a turd. But also be just the thing to turn a redbreast into a grouper for 20 seconds. Dang I wish they had been cheap.

~5footfenwick
 
I own three 1wts.
7' 6" original Orvis Superfine
8' Orvis Trident TL
7'10" Sage TLX
All are nice to cast, with the Sage and Trident having more backbone and ability to fish lighter tandem rigs. I purchased more than one 1wt because of the ability of finding lines as anything lighter is nearly impossible. but have always been intrigued with the 0-000 lines.
All the rods have landed fish over 18". I usually bring them out mid summer for fishing North Central PA.
Orvis CFO 1 and CFO 123 click and paw are the reels matched to those. I have a spare spool loaded with 2wt line for my Winston.
Whats the thoughts on the Orvis Superfine? Out of the three which do you tend to fish the most?
 
Whats the thoughts on the Orvis Superfine? Out of the three which do you tend to fish the most?
Keep in mind, his Superfine sounds like it is from the original unsanded blank batches of Superfines that are much older and have a completely different feel than the ones today.

Probably much like this one:


You'll notice the look of the blank. The "coiled" or spiraling of the rod blank is a dead give away.
The 1st generation in the 70's are absolute gems for feel and action. I'm not sure if they made a 1wt that far back but this one from the early 90's is probably still, very much different than today's Superfines. I always liked tip over butt ferrule construction.
 
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Keep in mind, his Superfine sounds like it is from the original unsanded blank batches of Superfines that are much older and have a completely different feel than the ones today.

Probably much like this one:


You'll notice the look of the blank. The "coiled" or spiraling of the rod blank is a dead give away.
The 1st generation in the 70's are absolute gems for feel and action. I'm not sure if they made a 1wt that far back but this one from the early 90's is probably still, very much different than today's Superfines. I always liked tip over butt ferrule construction.
Mine is of 1999 vintage and is tip over butt ferrule construction. . It is a softer/slower feeling rod. I do not fish with it as often because for me my casting ability. This rod does like to open up my loop more that the other 2.
I do like the Sage better.
 
I had a 6' 4pc 1wt Superfine (it might've been a 2wt but I really think it was a 1wt). It was a great backpacking rod and really fun on small wild trout streams, but it was a niche rod. I regrettably sold it.
 
Got my one weight in the mail yesterday afternoon and was able to lawn cast it before the snow really started to come down. Paired with an Abel TR Light and a SA DT2. Balanced extremely well and was surprisingly snappy casting to about 25-30 feet. Looking forward to some warmer days so I can get it out.
 
Got my one weight in the mail yesterday afternoon and was able to lawn cast it before the snow really started to come down. Paired with an Abel TR Light and a SA DT2. Balanced extremely well and was surprisingly snappy casting to about 25-30 feet. Looking forward to some warmer days so I can get it out.

Then it is a 2wt... 😉
 
Most rods feel better for the most part when overlined and casting less than 30'. (30' being the magic number of fly line feet out the rod tip when measuring grains to determine line ratings for a rod).

True that most modern manufacturers line ratings are underlined but it's also true that on many small Pennsylvania streams you aren't casting with 30' of line out the tip either. At the very least you shouldn't have to, but you can depending on your approach.

I look at my Glass Superfine 2wt. I like it with a 3 but it casts a 2 very well. I'd consider it a 2wt. It loads fine with 2wt line but in most situations I prefer a 3wt on it at the distances and type of approach I'm using.
 
When the Superfine Glass rods first hit the market, I was very interested in the 7'0" 3wt. I waggled one in the old Sporting Gentleman in Media and said, "This is a 4wt rod" and I passed.

I later had the opportunity to buy another 7'0" glass 3wt and it is like night & day in comparison and the rod can cast a DT3 well at any distance.

IMHO - If most rods feel better when over-lined at shorter distances it is most likely because the rods are incorrectly rated to make them more marketable, the fly line has too long of a front taper for short work and the leader is too long.
 
I agree. However fiberglass is quite forgiving in the sense that it will damn near cast anything. For lack of a better descriptor the rod can propel or cast the fly line. I have a 5wt glass rod that seems good with any 5wt line and good with 4 and 6wt lines. My glass rod is a 8ft 5wt Epic which is fast for glass in my opinion. I pair it with a DT std wt 5wt line. I have used Rio Gold, SA Std and others and dont notice a discernable difference.
 
I generally agree too except for the leader part. There are certainly areas I fish that a longer leader increases catch rate while a shorter rod is much easier to get around with and use.
Yes, overlining helps with this. Why not do it?

Fiberglass is forgiving to the point it is hard to notice a discernable difference between some lines that is true.

To me, if the rod is rated, say a 3wt, and it casts a 3wt well, it's probably a 3wt. If it's more or less, who is measuring grains to find out?
Not me. I put line on it and fish what feels right, which might not be right, or it might be. Does it matter? Not really.

I've cast just about every rod known to man from just about every maker. From rare customs to production rods.

You will be hard pressed to find some better rods than today's market produces. Likely the ones that are of the vintage variety and out of print that are better, will be hard to find.

If todays rods cast .5 wt better above their rating, is of little consequence. Buy the next line weight down if possible.
 
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I generally agree too except for the leader part. There are certainly areas I fish that a longer leader increases catch rate while a shorter rod is much easier to get around with and use.
Yes, overlining helps with this. Why not do it?

Fiberglass is forgiving to the point it is hard to notice a discernable difference between some lines that is true.

To me, if the rod is rated, say a 3wt, and it casts a 3wt well, it's probably a 3wt. If it's more or less, who is measuring grains to find out?
Not me. I put line on it and fish what feels right, which might not be right, or it might be. Does it matter? Not really.

I've cast just about every rod known to man from just about every maker. From rare customs to production rods.

You will be hard pressed to find some better rods than today's market produces. Likely the ones that are of the vintage variety and out of print that are better, will be hard to find.

If todays rods cast .5 wt better above their rating, is of little consequence. Buy the next line weight down if possible.

With rare exceptions like a one-off big pool when I can get away with it, when I'm fishing small streams; meaning places where I will be fishing a rod from 5'0" to 6'6" or 7'0", most often my leader is no longer than 6' and many times a lot shorter. I have never had a problem catching fish, ESPECIALLY on a little wild trout stream with a leader this short.

In addition, that short leader plus the short front taper (4.8 feet long) true-to-weight matching SciAngler Mastery DT I prefer gets me into the belly of my line with the minimum of total line & leader past the tip top. More importantly to me, IF and when I encounter a spot where a longer cast is required, the rod doesn't feel overloaded.

Fortunately for me other than TWO lone rods, I don't own a single rod that needs to be over-lined in any situation or that benefits from over-lining in any situation except possibly casting to my bathtub from the toilet. 😉

The rods that give me problems are slash rods or rods that have two line weights listed on the blank. Yea, I know what the common wisdom is and I know all rods will cast more than one line size, but some do it BADLY.

YMMV but I have never found a rod like this to my liking at all distances and in all honesty I really think the builders didn't get the result they were after when they designed the rod so they wrote two different line sizes on the blank. Fortunately, I only own two.

As an example, I own a Steffen 8'0" fiberglass 3pc 3/4 that I bought because I wanted (another) 8'0" 4wt rod and most folks like the rod better with a 4wt line. With a 120 grain 4wt line at the distances I typically fish an 8'0" 4wt rod, it's OK to maybe 3O feet, beyond that it is not so good... I haven't yet tried something between 100 and 120 grains but I think that will only reverse the ranges.

But the reality is, I own several rods at 8'0" in glass, bamboo and graphite, all are rated for one line weight and all cast like a dream at all distances with the single line weight...

...except the Steffen.

Yea I realize it's subjective but it is only me who is doing the casting and I know what I like in a rod action. Some rods just don't and never will do it for me. I also shop for rods based on pure desire or a need and desire for a particular length and line weight with the action I like. So if I want and buy a 7'0" 3wt rod, I want a 7'0" 3wt rod, not a 7'0" 3.5 or a 4wt rod, especially if I already have one I like...

I realize that most people and the fish don't care, but it still surprises me that some rod builders can nail it, while others IMHO just can't.
 
i've had a superfine troutbum 1wt for like 15 years. when i bought it i thought it was very clever. super cool. so ultra light. much bend.

the reality is it's a stupid fishing rod that is kinda useful for tricos but not as useful as a 4wt because they fish tricos just fine too as well as anything else far more usefully.

save your money.
 
I had that rod that I won at a TU banquet many years ago. I ended up leaving it and a Lamson reel along West Valley Creek. I'm just not a huge fan of super light rods for small stream fishing. I find I end up with too much line on the water and it's difficult to punch a fly where I want it. The biggest issue is not being able to "rip" a fly out of branch after a bad cast. I have a lot of those!
 
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