PFBC Quarterly Meeting to be Held on April 28

[sixfootfenwick]

i dunno, if commissioner Brock used Potter County sportsman's stocked trout to put the tags on and market Stroud beer, that's even worse because commissioner Brock was one of the ones that voted to give Potter County sportsman a $60,000 Great Lakes hatchery upgrade to meet specifications. So if they are allowing him to use fish to market Stroud beer, there's a quid pro quo involved.

The PFBC approved a 60k great lakes specification hatchery upgrade for potter county anglers co-op with no questions asked. Eric Hussar was like “60k and we are not even going to discuss this?"

 

[dudemanspecial]

Well to be honest, FishSticks made many good, coherent points. I think y'all were just too annoyed by him to hear them 🤷.

Yeah, thats how that works. When you are annoying, nobody wants to listen.

 

[sixfootfenwick]

Yeah, thats how that works. When you are annoying, nobody wants to listen.

I understand, so I don't know why you are shocked now other than he wasn't annoying you.

Ben Franklin used to watch George Whitfield preach many many times.
Someone asked him why he watches George Whitfield preach, being that he didn't believe what George preached.

Franklin said, I don't believe, but he does very much so, and that is what makes him so fascinating.

I'll give FishSticks that. He believes and fights for what he believes. That's a good quality, no matter how much he annoys you

 

[Cznymph]

i dunno, if commissioner Brock used Potter County sportsman's stocked trout to put the tags on and market Stroud beer, that's even worse because commissioner Brock was one of the ones that voted to give Potter County sportsman a $60,000 Great Lakes hatchery upgrade to meet specifications. So if they are allowing him to use fish to market Stroud beer, there's a quid pro quo involved.

The PFBC approved a 60k great lakes specification hatchery upgrade for potter county anglers co-op with no questions asked. Eric Hussar was like “60k and we are not even going to discuss this?"

The Potter County Anglers Club had stocked IPN positive fish in the Genesee watershed for a number of years before that was halted. Apparently someone at the PFBC lacked an understanding in basic geography, or simply didn’t care.

They are no longer listed as stocking any of the Genesee tributaries or the Genesee any longer. What then was the need for 60,000 dollars in Great Lakes improvements?

 

[dudemanspecial]

I understand, so I don't know why you are shocked now other than he wasnt annoying you

I hold the same opinion as him and probably 99% of everyone else that posts here about not stocking over wild fish and that the PFBC is a clown show. It's revisionist history to pretend he wasn't causing trouble here with the complete hijacking of every thread with his invasive species ramblings, regardless if he had a good point or not. He isn't hard to get in contact with outside of this forum if you long for his company so badly.

 

[sixfootfenwick]

I hold the same opinion as him and probably 99% of everyone else that posts here about not stocking over wild fish and that the PFBC is a clown show. It's revisionist history to pretend he wasn't causing trouble here with the complete hijacking of every thread with his invasive species ramblings, regardless if he had a good point or not. He isn't hard to get in contact with outside of this forum if you long for his company so badly.

That's strange, I never suggested trying a revisionist history here. just trying to make clear he always had good points. I think it's revisionist to act like this is new.

Discussing this isn't longing for his company.
You ok bro?

 

[sixfootfenwick]

The Potter County Anglers Club had stocked IPN positive fish in the Genesee watershed for a number of years before that was halted. Apparently someone at the PFBC lacked an understanding in basic geography, or simply didn’t care.

They are no longer listed as stocking any of the Genesee tributaries or the Genesee any longer. What then was the need for 60,000 dollars in Great Lakes improvements?

That's a good question.

Do these look like a conflict of interest?

 

[sixfootfenwick]

 

[5footfenwick]

I like fishsticks. I was just trying to be funny and be fair and look at it from both sides. I like to try to be balanced as to understand both sides. I guess I’m finding it hard to believe that a commissioner is into stocking is shocking anyone. This guy stocks at his day job. On the board for stocking for the state. Perhaps stocking in his free time. 🙂 I just can’t get behind picking on him. He clearly likes it.
Stocking class A or over native brook trout is crappy. Is all of that this guys fault? It can’t be. And I thought that was the problem.

 

[Cznymph]

That's a good question.

Do these look like a conflict of interest?

Even giving Commissioner Brock the benefit of the doubt here, let’s say that the tagged fish are purchased from a private facility and raised at Potter County Anglers, should we still be ok with $60,000 of our license fees being used for someone’s fishing derby?

 

[sixfootfenwick]

Even giving Commissioner Brock the benefit of the doubt here, let’s say that the tagged fish are purchased from a private facility and raised at Potter County Anglers, should we still be ok with $60,000 of our license fees being used for someone’s fishing derby?

Im not, but it likely came from Capital Funds, since millions came from that to fix hatcheries.

Which is even worse 😂

 

[5footfenwick]

I see what you guys are saying. But what if he stocks 13 creeks and lets say he donates $20,000 in stocked trout to each creek from straub. Then he is providing $260,000 in fish. If fish commission is loosing, only losing $60,000. I can’t see how that isn’t a fair deal. That would be a surplus of like $200k in free stocked fish. All to let a commissioner sell a few extra cases of beer at his brewery? I’m sure my numbers are off. Since I made them up. However I can see a scenario where it is mutually beneficial. Fisherman get extra stocked trout, more than they ever would have with the $60,000 alone, and straub sells a few extra cases of beer. Maybe I’m just looking at it from the angle of an optimist.

 

[dudemanspecial]

That's strange, I never suggested trying a revisionist history here. just trying to make clear he always had good points. I think it's revisionist to act like this is new.

Discussing this isn't longing for his company.
You ok bro?

Sorry, that was a little too snarky.....it's been a rough night. Power has been out since 530 and I had to fart with my generator for an hour to get it going. We have a well so no power = no water = cranky wife. I never saw wind so strong in my 44 years. Watched 3 100 foot trees fall on my neighbors property.

 

[Nocktavius]

Sorry, that was a little too snarky.....it's been a rough night. Power has been out since 530 and I had to fart with my generator for an hour to get it going. We have a well so no power = no water = cranky wife. I never saw wind so strong in my 44 years. Watched 3 100 foot trees fall on my neighbors property.

You think that wind was bad, wait until the next time you’re out on the water.

 

[dudemanspecial]

You think that wind was bad, wait until the next time you’re out on the water.

Story of my life

 

[jifigz]

Well to be honest, FishSticks made many good, coherent points. I think y'all were just too annoyed by him to hear them 🤷.

He had a few good points that he inserted over and over and over ad nauseum in every single thread. As Dudeman said, most of us would agree with that message, but he needs a little more style and finesse in his delivery because he was, truly and above all else, polarizing and annoying.

I'm glad that we can have discussions regarding corruption and kickbacks in the PFBC, which seems to be what his message was addressing; I thought Suleski's poignant message was commendable at that meeting, but his behavior here was uncalled for on numerous occasions. Sure, bring him up and the brookie cause in pertinent threads, but hopefully no one becomes Fish Sticks incarnate #2 because that probably won't stand too long around here.

 

[sixfootfenwick]

Sorry, that was a little too snarky.....it's been a rough night. Power has been out since 530 and I had to fart with my generator for an hour to get it going. We have a well so no power = no water = cranky wife. I never saw wind so strong in my 44 years. Watched 3 100 foot trees fall on my neighbors property.

Dont worry about it, I got thick skin and I didn't think you were that bad. Id be agitated too.

A continual dropping in a very rainy day and a contentious woman are alike.
Proverbs

 

[sixfootfenwick]

He had a few good points that he inserted over and over and over ad nauseum in every single thread. As Dudeman said, most of us would agree with that message, but he needs a little more style and finesse in his delivery because he was, truly and above all else, polarizing and annoying.

I'm glad that we can have discussions regarding corruption and kickbacks in the PFBC, which seems to be what his message was addressing; I thought Suleski's poignant message was commendable at that meeting, but his behavior here was uncalled for on numerous occasions. Sure, bring him up and the brookie cause in pertinent threads, but hopefully no one becomes Fish Sticks incarnate #2 because that probably won't stand too long around here.

Absolutely 💯 I get it.
I often agreed with him, but didn't insert myself in the thread until it was far off the rails. But I can't help but find it strange that so many argued against his points at the time simply because he was annoying, while saying now they agreed with him.

I'm just trying to say, his points were always valid even if his behaviors were not.

 

[Roofin' Trouter]

To play devil's advocate, would Potter County Anglers have extra trout for Straub's to put tags on if Freeman Run, Middle and West Branches Genesee weren't designated Class A and stocking ceased outside of kid's derby at Austin school grounds? I don't think they would. Isn't Brock the one who repeatedly pushes for stocking on Freeman Run? Why do that if Straubs depends on those fish for marketing? Sorry, but I don't see this as something nefarious. Fish Sticks is coming for the free beer in Elk County..

I’ve heard through the grapevine that Freeman Run will be stocked again, with no harvest of brown trout.

I've heard that too and am against it. I've also heard South Woods and FFS(section 01) will become Class A and stocking ceased. I don't believe any of it until I see it on Pennsylvania Bulletin. But, if the rumor you heard and the other rumor I heard are both true, I would be less objective to reinstating stocking on Freeman Run (02).

Wasn't there an angler survey done within the past few years that showed while Potter County is one of the top counties anglers travel to for both wild and stocked trout fishing? So people will be passionate on both sides about any action or inaction. Ill take a compromise over nothing any day of the week.

 

[jifigz]

To play devil's advocate, would Potter County Anglers have extra trout for Straub's to put tags on if Freeman Run, Middle and West Branches Genesee weren't designated Class A and stocking ceased outside of kid's derby at Austin school grounds? I don't think they would. Isn't Brock the one who repeatedly pushes for stocking on Freeman Run? Why do that if Straubs depends on those fish for marketing? Sorry, but I don't see this as something nefarious. Fish Sticks is coming for the free beer in Elk County..

I've heard that too and am against it. I've also heard South Woods and FFS(section 01) will become Class A and stocking ceased. I don't believe any of it until I see it on Pennsylvania Bulletin. But, if the rumor you heard and the other rumor I heard are both true, I would be less objective to reinstating stocking on Freeman Run (02).

Wasn't there an angler survey done within the past few years that showed while Potter County is one of the top counties anglers travel to for both wild and stocked trout fishing? So people will be passionate on both sides about any action or inaction. Ill take a compromise over nothing any day of the week.

There is no doubt that Potter County is a paradise in many anglers' eyes, both wild trout purists and stockie truck chasers. Traditional stockie fishermen flock to Potter County.