Youghiogheny River, Fayette/Sommerset Co. 9/08/2012

pwk5017 wrote:
Cant agree more with what everyone said about the river. Everytime I walk away from the river, I have a heart to heart discussion with myself on whether i would ever care to fish it again. The answer is always "no". I hate it. Wading it requires so much effort. You walk the damn trail for miles to reach accessible stretches. All of this would be forgivable if you had banner days, but they never come...This always happens. I hook into some decent fish after 7 hours of fishing and they get off. It is salt in the wound. And still, i go back. I dont know if I do it out of stupidity or what, but I cant get enough of the yough. I find myself day dreaming about it while commuting, and live for the day I "crack it". I am not 100% this river is even crackable, but im borderline obsessed with it.

Its amazing how many people say similar things about their experiences there. I've had the same thoughts that you posted almost verbatim. Yet we always go back.

Is the consensus that the lack of favorable spawning habitat and water from the Casselman River entering at Confluence the main hang-ups preventing the Yough from being a world class tailwater?

The Yough is an enigma but one thing that has been scientifically proven is that the Pittsburgh Pirates have completely tanked it since this picture was taken.

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Carry on...
 
The yough is quite complex.
It is a tail water for sure - just have to check the 50 degree water flowing from the dishcharge all summer. But then it only flows for a mile or so , and in comes the combined flows of the casselman river and laurel hill creeks. Both of those streams get quite warm in the summer, and up the overall river temps quite a bit.

I've never seen much in the way of hatches in that first mile of outflow - and have also wondered why that is. Guess it's due to infertility from the lake.

Below the junction, there are some sparse hatches. Nothing like you see on the central PA limestoner's. But enough to get some fish rising for sure. You just have to look in the right spots.
As for wading it - some spots are a bear for sure. But there are also stretches that aren't that tough.

Overall, it's a river that definitely needs to be learned. I've been doing that for about 25 years now. And I gotta say, it's really well worth the time and effort.
 
There are plenty of others who know the river much better than I. But what I have observed; the fish rise pretty well if there is something, anything, on the water. They are also pretty quick to get back up and feeding, after the many rafters. So those are good things the river has going for it.

That being said I guess I need another 20 years to get a little better perspective.lol.

Regarding the "infertile" description. I personally read that in a report from Rick Lorson, PAFBC coldwater biologist. It was an older report. Maybe somone has a more recent one. The one point that seems evident; it is a better river now than it once was. Perhaps it will contunue that trend.
 
Multiple guys with over 20 years on the river giving me similar reports doesnt exactly boost my confidence. I typically cant string days together on the yough, because i walk away feeling that humbled and disheartened. In a few weeks, I am going to give it another go. Its been 2-3 since my last hat handing.
 
pwk,

Let say that, first off, I've been floating the river. In many instances, the riseforms are very subtle. Very subtle. And often times, they're mid-river, possibly unreachable to a wading angler.

That's not to say there aren't good spots that offer a wading angler a good shot at rising fish. But they're clearly are not all over the place.

I don't know how long you've been at this, but it does take time. Be observant, gather the help that some of the other guys here can provide. Its getting late already this year, but maybe next spring I can float with you down there and we can try to figure something out about this place.

Good Luck
Dave
 
I thought the "infertility" label was applied due to the ph levels. I fished it once 20-25 years ago. Too dangerous to wade but caught a few on clouser crayfish. I also think the infertile label is making reference to the lack of insect hatches. I understand the Yough below the dam in Md is an exceptional fishery. I'll make the drive out if you want to hit that section one day.
 
I miss the Yough. I haven't fished it in a good while. But there are certain areas where the fish consistently rise. There are hatches, but rarely of the blizzard type. This has been improving in my opinion over even the last ten years that I've been sampling it with the long-rod.

I don't know if "infertile" is the perfect description, but it certainly shouldn't be thought of as "fertile" either. I suggest "relatively infertile" as an artful compromise.
 
DaveS wrote:

Regarding the "infertile" description. I personally read that in a report from Rick Lorson, PAFBC coldwater biologist. It was an older report. Maybe somone has a more recent one. The one point that seems evident; it is a better river now than it once was. Perhaps it will contunue that trend.

I've read that report, too. I wonder about the PFBC, though, and how accurate their reports are.

For instance, I ran into a guy from there this summer at a gas station in the morning. He saw the drift boat and came over to say hello and asked where we were fishing. I told him the Yough and he wanted more specificity because he'd been electro-shocking the river. I told him where we were putting in and he said to me that there were very few trout in that section of river. "Not a fishable population" were his exact words.

I thought he must have been joking or mistaken. But he wasn't. I was actually a bit worried. I hadn't been fishing this piece of river because of the low, warm water, but things had changed and I had decided to give it go. So I drove there thinking that maybe the heat or something else had caused a kill this summer. Needless to say, this PFBC guy who was in charge of counting fish on the river was absolutely wrong. Not even in the ballpark.

It was a bluebird day, but in spite of that, after seven hours of fishing, we still put over thirty trout ranging in size from 7-20 inches in the boat So any report that comes out of the FBC on the river is automatically suspect in my opinion. If anyone works for them and would like to comment, feel free. But that that information is going to come out in an official report and that someone got paid to be that incompetent is criminal. Is the whole organization that ineffectual?

As for fertility, if we're using that word to describe hatch density, then no, the river does not compare to some of the better hatch streams and rivers across the state. That being said, there are plenty of bugs, baitfish, crayfish, aquatic annelids, freshwater shrimp, and sowbugs in the river to maintain a nice population of trout and bass that grow to exceptional size.

There are hatches, and they generally come off like clockwork every day at the same time, and you can find trout eating every stage of that particular bug if you know when and where to look.

I don't know many people who've spent more time than myself chasing trout on the Yough. Is it a hard river to learn? Definitely. I learn new things about it constantly. And fishing being what it is, there are going to be tough days. But I personally haven't fished any other Pennsylvania trout water that is more productive in terms of quality fish on a day in, day out basis than the Yough.

That's all.

 
Regarding the fertility of the Yough. The pH readings are listed on the USGS gauge at Confluence. The current reading is 6.7.

http://waterdata.usgs.gov/usa/nwis/uv?03081000
 
It was a bluebird day, but in spite of that, after seven hours of fishing, we still put over thirty trout ranging in size from 7-20 inches in the boat So any report that comes out of the FBC on the river is automatically suspect in my opinion. If anyone works for them and would like to comment, feel free. But that that information is going to come out in an official report and that someone got paid to be that incompetent is criminal. Is the whole organization that ineffectual?

Hey YoughRG...

On these big rivers I would not put much weight into the PFBC reports. Shocking rivers of this size is very inefficient. The PFBC is use to shocking the many small freestone streams and when they are put to the task of shocking big trout rivers, they just aren't equipped to do it properly.

We have had the same issues on the Lehigh River. PFBC goes out and shocks and can't find a fish. Yet the same pool they shocked earlier, in evening there are dozens of trout rising. Go figure!!!

Any shocking the PFBC does on these big trout rivers is just a "snap shot" at any type of trout population and should not be taken as the "gospel" with regard to fishable populations of trout.
 
But I personally haven't fished any other Pennsylvania trout water that is more productive in terms of quality fish on a day in, day out basis than the Yough.

That's all.

Whoa. I guess when you float it as much as you Ernie, you learn every rock, riffle and trout lie. As a wader, the Yough is a huge question mark on consistency for me.

Streams such as the Lil J and Spring are obviously much more productive for day-in and day out fishing. However, your use of the term "quality fish" might bring it closer to reality for me. No other cold water fish, save steelhead, fight like a big Yough bow in heavy current. Hooking a fish in this river is only half the battle.
 
I haven't fished the Yough in a few years. Never caught a lot of fish but always got into a few. I'll never forget fighting a big fish for quite some time before my 5x tippet broke. Encountered a sparse bwo hatch once in the fall and caught fish on top. Swinging caddis soft hackles has worked for me too on other occasions. One thing no one mentioned is the sheer beauty of the place. The stretch between Ramcat and Ohiopyle has some absolutely stunning scenery especially as fall sets in. If I still lived in SW PA I would fish it regularly.
 
I am beginning to get the impression that I need to float this river over wading it. Just gotta put a drift boat on the to do list now..or fish out of my canoe I guess. I would need an inflatable one though, cause my car doesnt have a hitch.

Until then, i am going to keep plugging away. I love being on that river, I just wish it loved me half as much. There are spiders the size of your hand on those bank boulders, poison ivy everywhere, stubborn fish and access is remote/difficult as hell. All part of the reasons I admire the river though. When you fish the yough, you better tighten up your laces, because 80% of that river is not for the faint of heart or less enthused. Ive had many days where I spent hours on the river and didnt see or hear a single human being. Not too many places anymore where you can be in that scenery and feel that at peace. Still, this always creates the question, "why am i not banging fish right now, if this stretch is rarely fished?". I fish a local ww creek, and some spots are so unpressured because of their difficult access/nobody fishes the creek anyways, that its no biggie for me to catch 20 smalles between 12-16" in 2-4 hours of fishing. I could go fish that stream with your child's first self-tied fly and hammer smallies. I just wish the same were true for parts of the yough.
 
pwk -

I've never float fished the yough. And I've still caught plenty of fish there - drys only of course.
As with many other things - timing is the key. If the cfs is over 1,000, I don't even go there. But under that flow rate - game on!
And this has been a great year for wading it. In 4-5 trips there this summer, I've had flows of 600 to 800 cfs. Had no problem reaching risers. I can even easily cross to the other side at my favorite holes at those levels.

As for getting into the long stretches between access points - floating is a great way to do that for sure.
But biking along that nice trail is another nice option too. And that's what I do.
And it has some advantages over floating that I like. I don't need to go down there with 2 vehicles to shuttle. A big plus for me - I often fish there on weekdays by myself.
Floating is a one way ticket - but with my bike, I can zip back and forth between the various holes no problem.
And, I can stay put to fish the evening rise at my favorite holes, and still be back to the car in 30 minutes or so. Floaters have to be on their merry way, unless they want a long drift out in the dark. You don't really want to do that on the yough.

Just something else to consider
 
My bike is in the back of my truck. I'll hit Ohiopyle this afternoon (it takes about an hour and fifteen minutes for me to get there) and I'm going to let the Youghs' water wash away a tough weeks worth of work. I hope my parachute hopper will do its thing. Dry fly fishin' is the only to go.
 
Hit the Yough over the weekend. Spent the first hour of daylight trying to figure out what the fish were rising to. Violent rises all along the shoreline on the flats below Confluence. Nothing but tiny olive spinners in the current. Finally gave up on dries/emergers, figuring it had to be bait-fish they were slashing at. Swung streamers on a sink tip and managed a half doz rainbows and a couple decent smallies in about an hour. 2 of the rainbows being 18+ on successive cast. Missed more than I caught.

 
The Tribune Review had a feature recently on the Yough in the Outdoors section. They refer to the Yough as the "Madison of the East"...

Link to article
 
Nice! Thanks Albie. Good to see news about any stream or river improving, especially in western PA, where finding a place for year-round trout fishing is tough. Also good to see SMBs are thriving too.
 
I have know idea how they would shock the wide open flats of the river in reference to the Trib article. Most of the fish would spook once you get within 15-20 feet, especially if your not in stealth mode. According to the article they found 1 trout between Ramcat and the Casselman in 1994. This year 2 trout. I know it's just a sample, but that is crazy.

I've walked the banks and could count dozens of trout in certain sections. Many being 18"+. At the right time of a hatch you could see 20+ rising trout in certain areas. I started fishing that river 22 years ago by canoe and wading and have landed over half of my largest stream caught trout from the Yough. The fish are larger and more numerous now than 22 years ago.

A part of me wants the river to be recognized for the great river that it has become, but in the back of my mind I like it the way it is. (Except that I believe it should be catch and release from the Casselman to Ohiopyle.)
 
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