fished below the first deflector for about an hour or two today. the water is low and still pretty cold didnt get a temp tho. Got one nice rainbow on a midge pupa. Seems to be way to many people fishing this river these days. you cant go anywhere on the stream without some jack*** coming and fishing 5 feet away from you. I love this steam and have been fishing it for a very long time and wish the people who are new to the Tully would just learn some manners. Hope we get some good rain this week
Tully, 3/28/2009
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tomgamber
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It'll get better when it isn't one of the only waters open. They also might not be new to the Tully. They may have been @$$holes for a long time. Some times new people to your waters are quite considerate.
sunra
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I have only fished the Tully once, but I thought it was a great stream.
As for manners...I try to enter the stream out of sight of any other angler, but if that is not possible, I try to stay as far away as possible. I am sure not to be in the 'window' of another angler's fish nor create any disturbance in the water which might spook another angler's fish.
That's what I'm talking about!!!
As for manners...I try to enter the stream out of sight of any other angler, but if that is not possible, I try to stay as far away as possible. I am sure not to be in the 'window' of another angler's fish nor create any disturbance in the water which might spook another angler's fish.
That's what I'm talking about!!!
yeah ,,i hear ya Tom,,my uncle started me flyfishing when i was like 12 and the first thing he taught me was stream manners before i even casted my first fly. of well i didnt get skunked so i was happy and i even got 2 good jumps from that rainbow,,nice brite coloring,,looked really healthy
I agree with Justfish's assessment of the crowding situation on the Tully. Naturally, the anglers go where the fish are located, and they are located in the limited areas of good habitat. Thus, the crowding.
That having been said, and without specifically referencing jfetkin's experience for which he probably had a perfectly good reason to be ticked, I also think that SOME anglers are a bit (perhaps a lot) overly sensitive to the presence of another angler, even when another angler is fishing the oppostite bank. This is certainly situational, but in general on a stream that is as wide as the Tully, and located in a high population density area, anglers who are nymphing or using short casts and concentrating on fishing for extended periods of time on one side of the stream should expect others to move along and, yes, carefully fish the opposite bank or side of the stream. On other streams I have for years seen bait anglers and spin fishermen fish opposite banks and cast, in effect, to the boots of anglers across the stream without even an exchange of a glare, and yes, with both still catching fish. Yes, we would all like to have a stream to ourselves, but don't expect that in an urban special reg area unless you fish weekdays in the rain or arrive at first light. Some fly anglers need to lighten up or stop fishing crowded streams.
That having been said, and without specifically referencing jfetkin's experience for which he probably had a perfectly good reason to be ticked, I also think that SOME anglers are a bit (perhaps a lot) overly sensitive to the presence of another angler, even when another angler is fishing the oppostite bank. This is certainly situational, but in general on a stream that is as wide as the Tully, and located in a high population density area, anglers who are nymphing or using short casts and concentrating on fishing for extended periods of time on one side of the stream should expect others to move along and, yes, carefully fish the opposite bank or side of the stream. On other streams I have for years seen bait anglers and spin fishermen fish opposite banks and cast, in effect, to the boots of anglers across the stream without even an exchange of a glare, and yes, with both still catching fish. Yes, we would all like to have a stream to ourselves, but don't expect that in an urban special reg area unless you fish weekdays in the rain or arrive at first light. Some fly anglers need to lighten up or stop fishing crowded streams.
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True enough Mike. I've noticed that a spin angler on an DHALO or an open ATW is a lot more likely to cast right to your boots, while most fly fisherman will give other anglers a wide berth. I've seen a hundred times, it even happens when the rest of the stream is vacant, especially if you are catching fish. Many spin fishermen and some fly fishermen have become used to the “combat fishing” that is common on many streams, and believe that it is perfectly acceptable stream practice. I think it has a lot to do with never learning or practicing any stream etiquette. When a stream is crowded, we must all learn to share the water, but many anglers are clueless. I equate it to the way people now behave when driving on our roads.
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I totally agree and is a good reason why i never fish the lower Tully. I enjoy more natural surroundings and wild trout. I also hate crowds. Personally, like the Yellow Breeches, I think that the lower Tully is extremely over rated. I can also see why fly fisherman might get upset about the crowding, but hey expect it. If you dont like it, go some where else like me ;-)
i have no problem with others on the stream. put when a guy comes to the stream and im allready in my spot and he gets into the stream and kerplunk,kerplunk,swooosh,swoosh, kerplunk as hes wading rite u next to me fishes for a few and then,,,kerplunk,kerplunk,,swoosh, swoosh,,kerplunk,,walks rite behinde me and heads down stream after spooking the #OOPS# out of the whole section of the f'ing river where me and 2 other anglers were finshing,and being respectfull to eachother,so yeah Mike no i wont lighten up this guy was a flat out jackass and had no F'in manners
lol,,,lots of raw broccoli and some good garlic dressing,,lol No with all kidding aside i have made some good friends on the river not just the tully. Why because we respected eachothers space and treated oneanother as each of us wish to be treated. Theres guys I look foward to bumping into now and again on the streams. but when you get a guy who has no idea about manners to others on the stream, or even better yet has no idea even what hes doing cause as he kerplunked his way through the stream as if he was walking on dry land he was spooking everything downstream of himself too, especially with the water being as low as it was. not too mention as he finished a cig he would flick it into the stream. thats great for a larger trout to mistake for food and most likely kill a nice sized fish anyway,,what this post was has been twisted way out of line,, and maybe next to the papers posted on the stream explaining the regulations they should have a few lines about manners on the stream. like wade stealthy, and approach quietly
pcray1231
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Lol.
I think what is acceptable etiquette is highly situational. If you're on a stream and there's only a few other anglers, you can actually enter the stream out of sight of another angler and still be an @$$, for instance if you observe he's working upstream and you jump ahead 2 or 3 pools. But if the stream's crowded, the rules change.
Mike, I have observed that too. Opening day is one thing and its acceptable. Other situations, like Erie, its perhaps acceptable as well. But other than that, I let the guy know my thoughts on the matter. Its especially bad if there's rising fish, even approaching the bank without casting is often enough to put fish down. It has happened to me on the Tully more than I care to say, and it usually ruins a spot for an hour or so.
That said, there are a few spots on the Tully I enjoy, but Rebers and the Papermill are not among them due to crowds. Its not unusual to see 4 guys at the Papermill pool alone! And Rebers, often there's pushing 10 guys in that series of pools, ridiculous. But you really can't complain about it, everyone's looking for the same thing I am. I might get frustrated but I'm not upset about it. I fish the Tully cause I'm so close to it and it doesn't take much of a time commitment to go down there for an hour or so, I can do it after work for instance. But there's a lot better opportunities within a half hour drive, if I got a full day or something the Tully is way down on my list.
I think what is acceptable etiquette is highly situational. If you're on a stream and there's only a few other anglers, you can actually enter the stream out of sight of another angler and still be an @$$, for instance if you observe he's working upstream and you jump ahead 2 or 3 pools. But if the stream's crowded, the rules change.
Mike, I have observed that too. Opening day is one thing and its acceptable. Other situations, like Erie, its perhaps acceptable as well. But other than that, I let the guy know my thoughts on the matter. Its especially bad if there's rising fish, even approaching the bank without casting is often enough to put fish down. It has happened to me on the Tully more than I care to say, and it usually ruins a spot for an hour or so.
That said, there are a few spots on the Tully I enjoy, but Rebers and the Papermill are not among them due to crowds. Its not unusual to see 4 guys at the Papermill pool alone! And Rebers, often there's pushing 10 guys in that series of pools, ridiculous. But you really can't complain about it, everyone's looking for the same thing I am. I might get frustrated but I'm not upset about it. I fish the Tully cause I'm so close to it and it doesn't take much of a time commitment to go down there for an hour or so, I can do it after work for instance. But there's a lot better opportunities within a half hour drive, if I got a full day or something the Tully is way down on my list.
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Not taking away from the correct observation that many anglers have no stream manners, but have you ever noticed you tolerate people nearby much more when you are catching lots of fish, than when you are getting your butt handed to you in gift wrap? Also, isn't it the case that you will tolerate a fishing buddy standing 30 feet away or leap-frogging you to the next pool, but won't do so when it is a stranger? I try to keep these truth in mind when I get frustrated by other anglers crowding me out on the stream.
Just this weekend, Albatross and I arrived at the Little J. After suiting up and while stepping into the water, another car arrived and parked next to ours. We passed at least 3-4 pull-offs that were empty getting to the one we parked at, and I suspect there were a few more upstream as well. Nonetheless, perhaps we chose the best parking space, and I had purposely left room for another car or two when I parked instead of parking in the middle of the pull-off like I have seen many times even when conditions are crowded. There were no other anglers in sight for 500 yards in the upstream or downstream direction, but when the guys who arrived behind us got suited up, they decided to step in the stream about 50 yards upstream of us. This was enough room for then, but I was NOT going to follow another group upstream all day, having arrived first. So, instead of getting angry, I simply got revenge and when it was time to move, I cross the stream and walked quickly and quitely about the same distance upstream as they had been from us and began fishing again. Never saw them the rest of the day.
Just this weekend, Albatross and I arrived at the Little J. After suiting up and while stepping into the water, another car arrived and parked next to ours. We passed at least 3-4 pull-offs that were empty getting to the one we parked at, and I suspect there were a few more upstream as well. Nonetheless, perhaps we chose the best parking space, and I had purposely left room for another car or two when I parked instead of parking in the middle of the pull-off like I have seen many times even when conditions are crowded. There were no other anglers in sight for 500 yards in the upstream or downstream direction, but when the guys who arrived behind us got suited up, they decided to step in the stream about 50 yards upstream of us. This was enough room for then, but I was NOT going to follow another group upstream all day, having arrived first. So, instead of getting angry, I simply got revenge and when it was time to move, I cross the stream and walked quickly and quitely about the same distance upstream as they had been from us and began fishing again. Never saw them the rest of the day.
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Jack - very true. When you know the person, you don't mind them being close to you. When possible I try to get to know the guy next to me in crowded conditions so I enjoy being so close rather than feel "crowded" and "pressured". However, that doesn't mitigate the need for proper etiquette when approaching a stream with a fisherman already there.
Its wierd - I hate crowds and go out of my way to avoid them, but I also usually prefer to fish with friends rather than fishing alone.
Always better to be respectful and friendly - and everyone will have a better time.
Its wierd - I hate crowds and go out of my way to avoid them, but I also usually prefer to fish with friends rather than fishing alone.
Always better to be respectful and friendly - and everyone will have a better time.
