The Good, the Bad, and the Unexpected

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Disclaimer - This thread might come off as the ramblings of an idiot, but....

On Thursday, I went to my favorite trout stream. I found sulfurs hatching, and the trout were willing to rise to dry flies. That was the good. The bad is this - I have never before seen the stream so low and clear for this time of year, and I also noticed that a good portion of the stream that is among my favorite little stretches is beginning to be blighted by the woolly adelgid. This area of the stream has a steep bank on the right with huge towering hemlocks that add a stately and awe-inspiring beauty to the creek. The trees are now dying. Soon, the stream will lose the shade that this provides, and it will also lead to lots of large, woody debris in the stream.

On Friday and Saturday, I poked around some stocked streams that also have modest wild trout populations. These are small streams. I hate the stocked trout experience on small forested freestoners. I was fishing these streams to see what kind of wild trout I could turn up. I didn't catch a single one. I fished through beautful habitat and pools and couldn't turn up a wild trout. I used to find more in these streams. What happened to them? Was I just not catching them on these days? Also, there is lots of large, woody debris in these streams, and it is getting worse all the time. I hate large woody debris.

I then went to a stream I know very well and fish often. I got some eats by trout, but couldn't land one. The bite was very finicky, and the trout spit my dry flies or my nymphs almost immediately. I fished a soft plastic tube/worm on a jighead out of a tree on this stream. I also saw what looked like a trout spook off the bank (it startled me. I didn't know it was there until it swam off), and it looked like the fish had a similar lure hanging from its mouth. I have never seen anyone else fishing this stream, but obviously someone else is fishing it these days, and they're bombing soft plastics in there.

Everywhere I go, I seem to find and clean up litter, discarded fishing line, and people's other crap. I have been striking out on certain streams, and so far this year the small stream wild trout fishing has been lackluster for me. The two streams I fished Saturday and Sunday have some wild fish, but I always wonder why there aren't more? Is it solely because they are both heavily stocked, or is there something else going on with these streams?

I love to explore and poke around, and I've discovered some tremendous streams doing so, but other times exploring and poking around small streams is some of the most frustrating and miserable experiences angling has to offer.

I know people say large, woody debris is good for fish, but as a fisherman, I absolutely hate it. It pretty much ruins small stream experiences for me, and the amount of large, woody debris seems to be ever-increasing thanks to our diseased and blighted forests. Okay, I'm done rambling. I'll post some pics from my phone then, but I just need to go fishing on a big stream or river and catch some dang fish.
 
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Sulfur eater from my favorite Creek.

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Nice habitat that just doesn't hold any wild trout. I need to quit trying on this stream.
 
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Some spin fisherman's garbage they left behind on one of my favorite streams.

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A dead brownie. Does this coincide with finding jigs from a spin guy?
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Nearly stepped on his fella..
 
A day on the water, in the woods, is still a good day.

I know you know this.

There are worse things. That said, those of us that spend time on these waters know them best: if we see things like degraded habitat, trash, less productive fisheries, we are the 1st ones to notice; and maybe a heralded warning can be a spark to educate others on better stewardship. Not saying anyone of us has to be a hero or Rachel Carson, but talking about stuff we see is a start. Also, too, if we didn't care, it wouldn't bug us.

Joe
 
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what's in that pipe, and could it be leaking anything into the water?
 
In SEPA, the streams have been on the low side or very low for close to a year now, plus some streams had anchor ice this winter. I've had similar observations (fewer wild trout) in streams I know rather well.

As far as the effect of "woody debris" on streams, I saw what happened at Clarks. And while I was always told to never say "always" or "never". Woody debris can be a good thing as well as a bad thing for a particular stream. The logs and branches act as cover for trout, but the loss of shade can warm the water to lethal levels during the summer.

The good thing is, for the most part, trout populations run in cycles, and it is likely the stream(s) will eventually return to more normal populations of wild trout. One can only hope.
 
Nice pics. Love the turtle! I feel your pain regarding large woody debris. It is good for trout habitat to a certain extent, but it can actually be TOO MUCH on certain streams. I have two very good examples that I've encountered in the last several years.

One, is on Heberly Run in Sullivan county. In the upper sections, trying to negotiate the deadfalls is a serious challange, and almost takes the fun out of fishing it. It's a real workout! Each year there seem to be more and more fallen trees in and along it's length.

My other example, and it's an extreme one, is on Painter Run, also in Sullivan. The amount of deadfalls all along the stream is mind boggling. Again, very difficult to negotiate under, over, and around these obstacles. If this stream wasn't so sentimental to me I wouldn't bother with it. There aren't the number of trout it had back when I first started fishing it back in the early 2000's, but it still has some good ones.

It's where I got what I think is my best ever wild trout pic, this nice native. I've also caught a few nice wild browns in there as well.
 

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Dear jifigz,

You don't name streams, so I am unsure of what stream the 3rd picture in the series refers to, it's the one with the "good habitat but no trout" comment. You also mentioned that streams are low and clear for this time of year.

Looking at that picture it reminds me of Spring Creek in the Fisherman's Paradise section. Not so much for the stream similarity, but for how the stream looks in regard to the water flow. To me, it looks like that stream has lost 6 or more inches of depth over the years. In my mind the water should be covering the grasses growing on the banks. While the banks on Spring Creek are now filled with riparian buffer, twenty years ago, you could literally watch the creek shrivel up. The width of the stream has shrunk substantially. You now have to step down into a 6 to 8-inch drop that used to have water in it to reach the water's edge, similar to your pictured stream. In your estimation, has the stream in picture 3 lost water volume over the years.

Regards,

Tim Murphy 🙂

P.S. I couldn't figure out what I was seeing on the lower border of the dead trout picture at first, but then I realized those are some impression clodhoppers you're sporting. You could stop the flow in a "gemmie" crick with those babies! 😉
 
You could stop the flow in a "gemmie" crick with those babies!
I agree it could be the boots, Josh 😉 The former owner could have been cursed too.

Aside from habitat degradation, which is more real on more creeks than others, I am with Tom in hoping that this is just a cyclical thing, a downturn from a couple tough winters and springs.

I have fished a small SEPA Class A recently and without exaggeration landed over two dozen wild browns in 4 hours. In low water, I fish early, and I think early is a better time to get a better assessment of small creeks when the water is low.

I caught a dozen fish in the first 60 minutes, up in the riffles shallow, where they wouldn't be as the sun got up. They likely hide the rest of the day.

Chunk a spinner or that tube with a Powerworm? trailer at first light and see how many trouts follow it to your feet 😵
 
I know people say large, woody debris is good for fish, but as a fisherman, I absolutely hate it. It pretty much ruins small stream experiences for me...

I couldn't have said it any better...

I have given up on a few small streams because with all of the woolly adelgid induced dead-fall, I spend more time walking around stuff to get to the next "open" spot than I do fishing.

It is similar to fishing a crowded stream, except it's not...

However it gets just as old, just as fast...
 
what's in that pipe, and could it be leaking anything into the water?
I have no idea what is in that pipe. But that is a top notch little stream packed to the gills with brown trout, so I am not worried about that pipe. This fish came from that stream in March of 2026, and it is on the skinny side, but it is one of the longer fish I've pulled out of this stream. In most places, this stream is only about two-three feet across. That is a stream I'm not worried about....

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Finally! This is what I’m talking about @jifigz
I think this officially indicates Cabin fever season is over! Jam is coming up, Jifigz is posting small stream reports. Life is good for us Paflyfish.com fans.
More like stream frustrations so far, but reports are on the way. I promise.

Plus, I have a Wisconsin Driftless adventure coming up, and I'll be sure to tell ya'll all about that.
 
More like stream frustrations so far, but reports are on the way. I promise.

Plus, I have a Wisconsin Driftless adventure coming up, and I'll be sure to tell ya'll all about that.
Oh no sir… this is a perfect stream report to me. Realistic and no kiss and tell on locations.

There is a mystery to it all. It makes me want to go out. A normal stream report makes me feel like I should have been there yesterday….This makes me feel like I should probably be there tomorrow.

~5footfenwick
 
Oh no sir… this is a perfect stream report to me. Realistic and no kiss and tell on locations.

There is a mystery to it all. It makes me want to go out. A normal stream report makes me feel like I should have been there yesterday….This makes me feel like I should probably be there tomorrow.

~5footfenwick
Ha. Well, I'm pretty much never going to reveal the streams I'm on. There are a few locations I'll disclose, but not many.
 
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