tomgamber
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Yinz never been to Da'Burgh or San Francisco
Switzerland- Why can’t we do this?
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I have and I’ve also driven through the Alps.
tomgamber
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Great picture of how crowded the valleys in the alps are where it easy to build. The mountains in the alps go from valley to straight up. They are true mountains where Pittsburgh’s topography is more rolling hills. Some steep hills do not make a mountain.
I really wouldn’t consider Zurich in the Alps although the Alps and smaller mountains certainly limit building spaces in Switzerland. Here is the highest overlook. It is almost 2,900 feet with Zurich a little over 1,000. There is even a tunnel under it just like Pittsburgh!
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Hunttroutbum
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I’m confused here. So your whole point is to be grateful for what we have as far as streams and opportunities in Pennsylvania and the US?
pcray1231
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Did 2 great trips to Switzerland, including fly fishing both times. Weird fishing laws, you are required to keep your catch. Fishing is for food, not fun in their culture. That said of course there's a subculture more similar to ours, I had a guide, and what do you know, everything I caught flopped off accidently after snapping a pic.
Lower population density, higher median income, and much older cities with stable populations that have had their high growth, high pollution phase before Columbus sailed the ocean blue. We are cleaner now than we were 50 years ago and getting cleaner. Its a normal cycle when a new area sees massive population growth, and once it stabilizes cleans everything up in the coming centuries. They had about 1000 year head start. Many of the houses and streets and such were built in the 1200's through the 1400's and are well kept up.
Lower population density, higher median income, and much older cities with stable populations that have had their high growth, high pollution phase before Columbus sailed the ocean blue. We are cleaner now than we were 50 years ago and getting cleaner. Its a normal cycle when a new area sees massive population growth, and once it stabilizes cleans everything up in the coming centuries. They had about 1000 year head start. Many of the houses and streets and such were built in the 1200's through the 1400's and are well kept up.
wildtrout2
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Do you have some fishing pics you can share from your trips to Switzerland?
pcray1231
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Somewhere, will have to dig them up. Unless its still on this site somewhere, was like over a decade ago.
Were work trips I extended to get a few free days. First trip I did a fingerling stocked mountain stream. Second trip was a day after barbel.
Were work trips I extended to get a few free days. First trip I did a fingerling stocked mountain stream. Second trip was a day after barbel.
Hunttroutbum
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Pa has been cleaning up. Look at Bennetts Branch and Dents Run in Elk County. Love or hate them the PAFBC is making progress. They don’t do everything right. But let’s look at the positives they are doing.
pcray1231
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See if this works.
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wildtrout2
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Awesome! What a beautiful country!See if this works.
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My Main point was that Switzerland has very advanced water treatment that keeps their waters clean despite having large urban populations crowded around their waters. Harrisburg has a large urban population that dumps its **** in the water after any rainfall over a sprinkle. Why can’t we spend to upgrade our greatly failing infrastructure?
I also was curious about development patterns in Switzerland as I only saw a small area. France impressed me with the lack of sprawl and its charming countryside very different from Pa farmland. Again it was a limited view just like Switzerland although the train covered a lot of miles.
Great photos of the Alps in the summertime! At the risk of getting Pcrayed, why did you say Switzerland has a lower population density? Were you comparing to Pennsylvania? Also, saying things are getting cleaner lacks context. Rampant development in southeast Pa is severely degrading the environment here. While egregious forms of point source pollution have lessened due to regulations and outsourcing of manufacturing, paving over the land is permanent and just as destructive to the environment. And I would be willing to bet the environmental gains made since the 70’s will be reversed in the coming years.See if this works.
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Here are a few photos of the Alps at Mount Titlis:
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Are fish showing up in Dents Run from Porcupine Run to the mouth?
wildtrout2
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You should use the Attachment editor option to rotate your pics.
pcray1231
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So I was wrong about population density, I looked it up.
I'll stand by the claim that things are getting better in PA as far as fishing. I mean, there exist plenty of examples of streams going both uphill and downhill. Plenty of threats, but also lots of improvement. Acid rain has significantly improved, lots of AMD streams coming back due to treatment, been a lot of sewage improvement, we're much better today of controlling sedimentation around construction zones, making groundwater recharge areas, etc.
I mean you go back to the late 1800's, early 1900's when we pretty much clearcut the whole state and sedimentation was a huge issue. Followed by all the damage coal mining and acid rain did. Yeah, we're a ton better. I think thats the natural progression, a country goes through an industrial revolution and ruins the environment, and then slowly improves as it matures. Europe is farther along than us on account of starting earlier, and China's in the middle of it now.
I will also say while Switzerland is just stunning visually and really cool culturally, they have WAY less outdoor recreational opportunity than us. Both game and fish. They have some fishing but I was rather struck by how dead a lot of their water is, as far as fish density I dont think its close. And wild game, same way. Now, natural geology has a lot to do with that. They have some rich limestone streams in the north, but the Alps streams are glacier fed with very little nutrients, while the valleys are spread out housing. They have very little forestland. I had a guide there and he had spent time in PA and said he was very jealous of what we have, so there's a little "grass is greener" in your post. The hardwood forests of the eastern US rival pretty much anywhere in the world as far as natural carrying capacity of wildlife in general (yeah Africa is up there). And the western US just has sooooo much wilderness land.
I'll stand by the claim that things are getting better in PA as far as fishing. I mean, there exist plenty of examples of streams going both uphill and downhill. Plenty of threats, but also lots of improvement. Acid rain has significantly improved, lots of AMD streams coming back due to treatment, been a lot of sewage improvement, we're much better today of controlling sedimentation around construction zones, making groundwater recharge areas, etc.
I mean you go back to the late 1800's, early 1900's when we pretty much clearcut the whole state and sedimentation was a huge issue. Followed by all the damage coal mining and acid rain did. Yeah, we're a ton better. I think thats the natural progression, a country goes through an industrial revolution and ruins the environment, and then slowly improves as it matures. Europe is farther along than us on account of starting earlier, and China's in the middle of it now.
I will also say while Switzerland is just stunning visually and really cool culturally, they have WAY less outdoor recreational opportunity than us. Both game and fish. They have some fishing but I was rather struck by how dead a lot of their water is, as far as fish density I dont think its close. And wild game, same way. Now, natural geology has a lot to do with that. They have some rich limestone streams in the north, but the Alps streams are glacier fed with very little nutrients, while the valleys are spread out housing. They have very little forestland. I had a guide there and he had spent time in PA and said he was very jealous of what we have, so there's a little "grass is greener" in your post. The hardwood forests of the eastern US rival pretty much anywhere in the world as far as natural carrying capacity of wildlife in general (yeah Africa is up there). And the western US just has sooooo much wilderness land.
tomgamber
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Switzerland 15 ,940 square mile
U.S. The "Lower 48" contiguous United States covers about 3.12 million square miles
Not sure what I'm so hard to understand here. Historically, Switzerland had very poor water treatment. They have greatly improved. It's much easier to do with 3 million less sq.miles of area.
U.S. The "Lower 48" contiguous United States covers about 3.12 million square miles
Not sure what I'm so hard to understand here. Historically, Switzerland had very poor water treatment. They have greatly improved. It's much easier to do with 3 million less sq.miles of area.
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These are wonderful , thank you for sharing !See if this works.
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mt_flyfisher
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One of my former Italian coworkers was a trout fisherman and told me he fished in streams in the Alps where he owned a home, that from his description I believe looked similar to the small mountain stream in your Trip 1 pictures.See if this works.
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I was really interested when he showed me the rig that he used to fish there. I didn’t see his rod but from his description it could have been a Tenkera rod, perhaps 4-5 meters long, and he had small lead weights positioned every 6-8”along the end of his leader for at least the last meter leading to the fly. I imagine that his rig would get his fly down to the bottom almost instantly in that fast, turbulent water, like the stream you were fishing.
