Squirmy Wormy Shaming

I haven't used anything but a micro dungeon for the last 2 months I hate retying and tying again,call it what you will...
I've done similar with a parachute Adams or a parachute ant. Fished either of them all day long, regardless of what success I was having. Sometimes just the casting and catching a few is good enough to make it an enjoyable day.
 
In fly fishing only areas, squirmy wormys are probably not allowed, because of the "molded fascimile" rule...

They are perfectly legal in PA FFO's because they are NOT molded facsimiles and they ARE (from the Summary):

"...Constructed of natural or synthetic materials, so long as all flies are constructed in a normal fashion with components wound on or about the hook."

IF you jabbed a hook though the center of the Squirmy Wormy plastic like a bass angler does when "wacky rigging" a Senko, then it is illegal because it isn't wound on or about the hook.

I don't tie or fish Squirmy Wormies, but in my book they are no different than San Juan Worms. It's only because they are rubber that the high hatters get their knickers in a twist over their use.

I don't remember, but I wonder if there was this much outrage back in the day when we were tying caddis larva from strips of latex or when foam first hit the scene...

As far as junk flies go, I've tied & used flies to imitate trout pellets, french flies, cigarette butts and bread to name a few. I make no apologies for trying to "scratch the hatch" and get some stupid fish to eat the stupid stuff that stupid people throw in creeks.
 
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As far as junk flies go, I've tied & used flies to imitate trout pellets, french flies, cigarette butts and bread to name a few. I make no apologies for trying to "scratch the hatch" and get some stupid fish to eat the stupid stuff that stupid people throw in creeks.
I remember lake run browns in a Finger Lakes trib eating popcorn under a bridge. Folks feed Valley fish are kinds of nonsense from the footbridge too.....

As much as we want to fetishize them in art and literature and social media, they are fish with very small brains. They are just prettier than some.
 
I remember lake run browns in a Finger Lakes trib eating popcorn under a bridge. Folks feed Valley fish are kinds of nonsense from the footbridge too.....

As much as we want to fetishize them in art and literature and social media, they are fish with very small brains. They are just prettier than some.
My French Fry Fly was crated after seeing some trout take the real thing on Falling Springs behind the McDonald's on Route 30 in Chambersburg.

It was hatch matching at its best, except I never got back there for a test run. However I did have success with a couple of ducks at the Run...
 
Many good points have been made in this thread. I hope my comments are up to the standard set.

Trout, like all fish, have little, tiny brains, short attention spans and only a few settings: hungry, spooked, aroused and maybe a one or two others. Also, their eyes have only rods, which see black and white (bright and shadow). They have no cones, which we have and allow us to tell the difference between green and brown.

It doesn't mean color isn't important in a fly pattern, it's just that the fish doesn't see it the way we do. Every shade is just a version of gray.

How many times have you made a bad cast that resulted in your fly dragging across the surface, only to have a trout (yes, even a wild trout) or two chase it?

And how often has a bud or pine pollen cone dropped into a creek only to be eaten by a curious trout.

They are not nearly as smart as we give them credit for. That doesn't mean they're easy to catch. They're actually really hard to fish when you consider 10 trout in a leisurely evening of fishing is a pretty good day, even if you covered a quarter of a mile and fished over a few hundred trout.

Long ago, however, I modified my approach to take advantage of the situation at hand:
  • Unless trout are rising steadily for a hatch, I don't fish dry flies. When there's a hatch, I do my best to match color and size then I focus on rising fish. If I can't get the first one to hit, I don't obsess. I move on to the next riser.
  • When trout are not rising, I presume they are on the bottom, possibly under rocks, and adjust my technique accordingly, using whatever nymphing technique is appropriate.
  • And here's where my comments intersect with the notion of junk flies. Mayflies, stoneflies, and caddis flies are cool, but trout also eat cranefly larvae, crayfish, snails, small fish, dragonfly larvae, earthworms, the eggs of other fish (which spawn throughout the spring and summer) and any number of other creatures, many of which are substantially larger than a size 10 or 12. Therefore, I almost start with something big, cream colored and typically made with some sort of cotton. In short, I fish mainly on the bottom and mainly with what a lot of folks call junk flies.
My go to flies:
  • The Honeybug. Devised by Paul Berger in the hamlet of Trout Run, north of Williamsport, the Honeybug is nothing more than a bit of four-strand cotton chenille wrapped around a hook. Four-strand cotton chenille, used primarily to make cheap bathrobes and towels, is no longer made, so true Honeybug material is hard to come by. I carefully guard my dwindling supply. The thing that makes it effective is that when cotton gets wet, and especially when it's under water, it has a translucent quality that's not evident when it's dry. And that translucent quality resembles the translucent quality of a living caterpillar, grub, small fish, or fish egg.
  • The rubber band grub. Black thread. A rubber band from your desk at work. A size 12 to 8 hook. That's the body. The head can be a bead of any color. Or you can use turkey or peacock to give it a buggy looking head with legs. Want to be really fancy: use red or pink thread with a bead head to give it a so-called "hot spot," but trout don't really see color.
  • Sucker spawn. Cotton yarn, usually pale yellow, tied in tight loops along a size 12 to 8 hook. White thread in most cases, but sometimes red because that looks to me like blood veins. But, again, trout don't see color.
  • San Juan worms (sometimes with squirmy wormy material)
  • Black and yellow marabou streamer. This is a variant on a traditional smallmouth streamer, but trout and smallmouths like a lot of the same foods. Using marabou instead of bucktail gives the fly a lot of action with minimal twitching, which is ideal for small stream fishing. Use a tinsel body, gold or silver, as you see fit.
  • For dry flies (in descending order): deer hair beetles and caterpillars (or cork or foam), elk hair caddis, sulfurs, the occasional green drake if there's a hatch, royal coachman, Adams.
I carry easily 35 to 40 other patterns and occasionally fish with them, but in more than 50 years of fly fishing, I would estimate I've caught 90 percent of my trout on these patterns. I like to tie other flies, because tying a good fly is its own challenge, but when I fish, I want to outsmart at least a few of those small, smooth-brained creatures.

If you're wondering, I have heard plenty of people chattering near me when I catch fish offering comments like, "That's not really fly fishing." I have no idea what flies they're using, but if they're paying that much attention to what I'm doing, I'd venture they're not having nearly as much fun as me.
 
I feel like the older generation ( which I'm a part of ) had to buy books , take a class , go to a TU meeting , just learn to tie flies and most flies had many steps . Now we are just using a squirmy or a mop , it's a little insulting , or sour grapes .
 
It's the material. 20 years ago it wouldn't even be allowed on a FFO section.
Every FFO I know of is just a stocked section that experiences extreme overcrowding due to the perceived notion that it’s better than the other stocked sections right up and down the road. The wild trout waters I fish don’t have any restrictions on squirmies or other junk flies, so truck chasers can keep their unadulterated aesthetic fly fishing experience targeting PFBC rubber trash to themselves I guess.
 
I feel like the older generation ( which I'm a part of ) had to buy books , take a class , go to a TU meeting , just learn to tie flies and most flies had many steps . Now we are just using a squirmy or a mop , it's a little insulting , or sour grapes .
I’ve done all the activities you mentioned this year. They’re all going strong with a lot of nice people and great knowledge (especially dry flies 😉).
 
I’ve done all the activities you mentioned this year. They’re all going strong with a lot of nice people and great knowledge (especially dry flies 😉).
Their are those that tie a squirmy , a walts and a mop and call it a day .
 
With respect, I’m pretty sure trout have cones and see color.
The all knowing AI says trout have 4 types of cones in their eyes to see red spectrum, blue spectrum, green spectrum, and UV. UV cones go away as the trout get older. Just for information.
 
Their are those that tie a squirmy , a walts and a mop and call it a day .
My many years of experience have shown me that flies being complicated and/ or pretty seems to mean little to trout. Often a beat up plain Pheasant tail or hares ear outfishes my flies with rubber legs, UV hot spots, etc. The simple items listed above may actually be a good plan.
 
In fly fishing only areas, squirmy wormys are probably not allowed, because of the "molded fascimile" rule.

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Unfortunately thats not a thing any more.

COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA
About the Pennsylvania Code & Bulletin
Title 58
Chapter 65
58 Pa. Code § 65.14. Catch and release fly-fishing only.

§ 65.14. Catch and release fly-fishing only.​

(a) The Executive Director, with the approval of the Commission, may designate waters as catch and release fly-fishing only. The designation of waters as catch and release fly-fishing only shall be effective when the waters are posted after publication of a notice of designation in the Pennsylvania Bulletin.

(b) It is unlawful to fish in waters designated and posted as catch and release fly-fishing only except in compliance with the following requirements:

(1) Fishing may be done with artificial flies and streamers constructed of natural or synthetic materials so long as all flies are constructed in a normal fashion with components wound on or about the hook or hooks. Use or possession of any other lures or substances is prohibited.

(2) Fishing shall be done with tackle which is limited to fly rods, fly reels and fly line with leader material or monofilament line attached. Spinning, spincast and casting rods and reels are prohibited.
 
Also, their eyes have only rods, which see black and white (bright and shadow). They have no cones, which we have and allow us to tell the difference between green and brown.
Thanks to Kms and greywolf for pointing out an important error: trout have both rods, which detect shadow and light, and cones, which detect color, and can differentiate color, though not necessarily the same way we do.
I went down quite a rabbit hole and also found some other interesting trout-nerd stuff:
I do, however, stand by my thesis that trout are not as bright as we give them credit for, as their brains are small and smooth. It probably says more about me that my obsession with intellectually unstimulating creatures is so mindlessly strong.
 
Rainbows and cutthroats don’t see as well in low- no-light situations as brook and brown trout
The acoustico-lateralis system may make up for this. I didn’t read your linked paper and maybe they get into that topic in passing as well. Anecdotally, we have no trouble catching RT on big wet flies at night with or without the moonlight.
 
I never understood all of the hate towards fishing a squirmy wormy, but I assumed it only existed online - that was, until this Saturday when a couple of guys fishing upstream of me walked by along the bank and asked what I was catching them on. When I told them I was using a hopper dropper with a squirmy, they both rolled their eyes and said something along the lines of "why don't you use a real fly?"

I laughed it off and said "if it works, it works" but when trying to explain to my wife why there was so much vitriol towards the squirmy wormy, I was kind of befuddled. Is it because the silicone material isn't "natural"? Is it because worms aren't flies? Curious to hear all of your thoughts.
I would’ve then asked them if they were made fun of as children or something.

How DUMB to down someone for what they are fishing.

I fish real night crawlers around fly dudes all the time and don’t feel a drop bad about it or beneath someone with an attitude like that.

Fish on man and keep using what works for you!!! And always remember, 99 percent of negative crap like that stems from one thing, jealousy!! And there is a ton of it in the outdoor crowd!!!!
 
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