Spring Creek, Centre Co., 8/16/2011

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Hit Spring at Benner Springs for the afternoon. WT was 64 degrees just below the "new" parking lot. Caught fish with a black wet ant, scud, and walt's worm. But the biggest fish came on top with a large black foam cricket. Tossed a cicada and the trout would move to it but no takes, switched to the cricket and they attacked it. Saw two other guys fishing. Let's see if I can get the pics of the parking lot up here...........This is likely the least amount of cars that you'll see in this lot in the future.....🙂
 

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Thanks for the pic.

I question the logic of building a lot in the flood plain. I don't see myself fishing that stretch ever again after the lot is done, at least outside of the winter. It's already too crowded for my tastes.

It was packed with anglers at 700cfs last spring!
 
Hell building a parking lot in a floodplain is no big deal. It's done everyday. One would assume that they have considered the environmental impacts given who they are and where this is located. But who knows? Utilization up = win for those guys.
 
They will probably lay stones.

I question it too, why do it at all.
 
locally, it has been quiet about this topic. Last word (april) was that it could open as early as the fall-pending completion of all the "upgrades"
I doubt crowds at benner will increase. It will have a greater impact on non-fishing traffic.
My biggest fear is the speculation that certain prison roads will be opened (access from Rt150/benner pike). This will allow direct auto traffic to the heart of the canyon. Open it, fine, but make people walk/bike in.
Another concern is the possibility of people canoeing/tubing. While I believe the effects of a passing canoe are sometimes overstated, but a narrow/shallow Spring creek would be more disrupted than larger streams

 
I guess what I was saying is that that stretch of water will be less crowded with more stream to fish. By the way I love that stretch it has always been productive for me.
 
nymphingmaniac wrote:
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My biggest fear is the speculation that certain prison roads will be opened (access from Rt150/benner pike). This will allow direct auto traffic to the heart of the canyon. Open it, fine, but make people walk/bike in.

Opening the Prison strech will hopefully drop pressure on other parts of the stream which in mind is a good thing. I dont see what the big deal is with the more direct access to the canyon look out how easy access the rest of the stream is.
 
The stretch that is currently closed is only about 0.6 mile long.

I'll be glad when that stretch is opened, but it won't provide much more room to spread out.
 
troutbert wrote:
The stretch that is currently closed is only about 0.6 mile long.

I'll be glad when that stretch is opened, but it won't provide much more room to spread out.
But won't that allow easier access to the stretch just past that?
 
csoult wrote:
troutbert wrote:
The stretch that is currently closed is only about 0.6 mile long.

I'll be glad when that stretch is opened, but it won't provide much more room to spread out.
But won't that allow easier access to the stretch just past that?

Yes, it would make that area easier to reach from the Benner access. But a lot of people already fish that stretch by walking up from the Paradise.
 
I am of the opinion that allowing more auto traffic directly into the heart of the canyon would negatively impact the area. I am concerned if allowing cars into the relatively remote section of the canyon would lead to illegal dumping, littering and the congregation of kids "up to no good".
I wonder if PFBC has made decisions about motorized vehicle (ATV, 4-wheelers) access in the area.

Anytime one fishes there is fish mortality. Allowing greater pressure throughout the stream (as direct access might) could thin the density of fisherman near benner, but it would also eliminate a pristine, wild trout refuge where trout can go about their business unmolested. While trout may not migrate far under ideal circumstances, trout could move from the refuge into other areas on each side as the population in these heavily pressured areas thins. It is really unknown how important that 0.6 miles of untouched stream (actually you can add another 1/2 mile where fishing pressure is light b/c people don't want to walk that far) is to maintaining the trout population in the stream. We just don't know. I don't know of anyone who is disappointed with the state of the Spring Creek fishery right now. I can't foresee how opening up that area would improve the fishery. It may make it easier on people, but at what cost? We just don't know.

 
Can somebody refer me to a map of the Canyon Section?

Salmo
 
salmo wrote:
Can somebody refer me to a map of the Canyon Section?

Salmo

Just Google it. Clearwater Conservancy's website has maps.

But from a fishermans point of view, it's not complicated. You can park at Benner Spring hatchery and walk down. Or park at the Paradise and walk up.

In the middle there is a posted section about 0.6 mile long. And that is supposed to be opened some time this fall.

That's about it. It isn't any kind of howling wilderness. It's a popular fishing and walking area and has been for many years.
 
I talked to the guy who drove that machine down there. He said Sept. is when the prison grounds will open and the parking lot too. He said he gets flack from guys about the lot, but he says he just does what he is told to do......here's another view looking up stream.
 

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Doesn't that cleared area look steep to you guys? It hard to imagine cars be parked on that slope. I don't know why they dont just use the area just over the bridge as parking. That area and the original parking area are all that would be needed.

Does any one know what the cleared area next to the hatchery at Fishermans Paradise is going to be used for? Is it going be used by the hatchery, the fish commission school, or is it part of the canyon project?
 
I wonder if PFBC has made decisions about motorized vehicle (ATV, 4-wheelers) access in the area.

That's one thing you won't have to worry about. Neither the PFBC or the PGC allows ATV use on their land.

And public sentiment here would be very strong against that.
 
I say concentrate even more anglers at Benner. I have yet to fish a section of Spring I am unhappy with. Yesterday, I fished a section of stream where I have never caught large (13"+), but I saw a ton of them. I rarely have competition there except during hatch events, but that it to be expected.

From the hatchery to THE Rock and then downstream to the Paradise is a lot of stream. Some people will always walk-in more than others.
 
Not sure why anyone would tube spring creek. Don't they realize 2 sanitary treatment plants empty there? Always fish there with waders.
 
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