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I was able to read by clicking on the picture with the number of each type of fish and amount stocked ( I don't have fb) , it' was very bland with a few posts about stocking over wild fish , I would not say they got "roasted"... at all .
 
I was able to read by clicking on the picture with the number of each type of fish and amount stocked ( I don't have fb) , it' was very bland with a few posts about stocking over wild fish , I would not say they got "roasted"... at all .
Correct. A few random posts but not ALL lol
 
I wish they would stock more smaller fish as the hatcheries have a total load number of lbs each could raise. Might as well produce the most you can let's see how or if the new wild trout waters become class A.
I would like to see the lists of class B,c,andD's waters.
I’m happy either way, but the final decision to move to raising an avg 11” trout from avg 9.5-10” trout was solidified through statewide on-the-stream, opening day interviews of anglers asking the question that dealt with angler preference: fewer but larger trout or more but smaller trout.
 
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I’m happy either way, but the final decision to move to raising an avg 11” trout from avg 9.5-10” trout was solidified through statewide on-the-stream, opening day interviews of anglers asking the question that dealt with angler preference: fewer but larger trout or more but smaller trout.

This is a fun game to play by PFBC. Interesting they listen to internal polling of what anglers want to see for opening day but not for what anglers want to see overall on the stocking program/locations of stocking.

Lets take a look under the hood here for a second.

2025 per PFBC data:
437,436 fishing license with trout stamps sold. x $42.94 = $18,783,501.80 revenue through license sold with trout stamp.

With about 700,000 total license sold, the rest of them want nothing to do with fishing for trout, let alone a lab-created pellet fed disease filled rubber fish. Don't even get me started on the Gill Lice issues going on in Lancaster County the last couple years from a co-op hatcheries.

The total population of PA over 18 years old is 9.3m

This means 4.7% of taxpayers are willingly paying for trout stamp to fund this "self-sufficient" program.

PFBC claim
3.2m fish stocked by PFBC
1.1m by co-ops

so at 4.3m stocked fish / 437,000 trout stamps = 9.84 fish stocked per trout stamp.

then we take $18,783,501.80 revenue on trout stamp license sales / 4,300,000 stocked fish = $4.37 per stocked fish from the revenue of stamps sold.

PFBC is asking us to trust these numbers that they have budgeted for. I dont.

Perhaps some of you know more than me, but I don't believe that it only costs $4.37 to raise an 11 inch trout over the course of 18 months. I could be wrong, I have been in the past, and certainly will be in the future, but I don't think I am here. Maybe, just maybe, this is why they are opening up boat launch slips to be used for "other" projects within the fisheries management as well as taking capital funds to the tune of $100,000,000 over the next few years to subsidize the hatchery infrastructure and stocking programs. the more they can get into the "general fund" the more they can pull away from other projects and divert those funds to stocking and hatcheries. That is just the monies they are taking from the state general fund that is on the books. That doesn't include grant monies from other entities that had be funded by capital funds that made their way through.

Separate from my thoughts on where they stock trout, I question whether its even fiscally responsible for them to grow and stock this many trout in general. I am sure there is a number of fish they could grow and stock that would work within the budget, but the number they are putting forward currently is not sustainable long term without pulling even more taxpayer dollars to a program that has claimed since its onset in its very charter that it is self-sufficient.

The Rodfather
Engagement Czar and Conservation Chair
Dauphin County League of Chubsmen
 
This is a fun game to play by PFBC. Interesting they listen to internal polling of what anglers want to see for opening day but not for what anglers want to see overall on the stocking program/locations of stocking.

Lets take a look under the hood here for a second.

2025 per PFBC data:
437,436 fishing license with trout stamps sold. x $42.94 = $18,783,501.80 revenue through license sold with trout stamp.

With about 700,000 total license sold, the rest of them want nothing to do with fishing for trout, let alone a lab-created pellet fed disease filled rubber fish. Don't even get me started on the Gill Lice issues going on in Lancaster County the last couple years from a co-op hatcheries.

The total population of PA over 18 years old is 9.3m

This means 4.7% of taxpayers are willingly paying for trout stamp to fund this "self-sufficient" program.

PFBC claim
3.2m fish stocked by PFBC
1.1m by co-ops

so at 4.3m stocked fish / 437,000 trout stamps = 9.84 fish stocked per trout stamp.

then we take $18,783,501.80 revenue on trout stamp license sales / 4,300,000 stocked fish = $4.37 per stocked fish from the revenue of stamps sold.

PFBC is asking us to trust these numbers that they have budgeted for. I dont.

Perhaps some of you know more than me, but I don't believe that it only costs $4.37 to raise an 11 inch trout over the course of 18 months. I could be wrong, I have been in the past, and certainly will be in the future, but I don't think I am here. Maybe, just maybe, this is why they are opening up boat launch slips to be used for "other" projects within the fisheries management as well as taking capital funds to the tune of $100,000,000 over the next few years to subsidize the hatchery infrastructure and stocking programs. the more they can get into the "general fund" the more they can pull away from other projects and divert those funds to stocking and hatcheries. That is just the monies they are taking from the state general fund that is on the books. That doesn't include grant monies from other entities that had be funded by capital funds that made their way through.

Separate from my thoughts on where they stock trout, I question whether its even fiscally responsible for them to grow and stock this many trout in general. I am sure there is a number of fish they could grow and stock that would work within the budget, but the number they are putting forward currently is not sustainable long term without pulling even more taxpayer dollars to a program that has claimed since its onset in its very charter that it is self-sufficient.

The Rodfather
Engagement Czar and Conservation Chair
Dauphin County League of Chubsmen
Every time my drift boat nearly goes flying off the trailer because PFBC can’t be bothered to fix a few hundred dollars worth of concrete on the shittacular broken launch at Buckingham or I have to do the ridiculous eight-point turn of shame to not drive right into the raging current at Stockport, I thank my lucky stars that we live in a state that prioritizes the God given right for every Pennsylvanian to enjoy a completely worthless and made up trout fishing experience!

I’ve been enjoying the PFBC getting flamed by so many people on social media. Think Mike Judge said it best…
 

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This is a fun game to play by PFBC. Interesting they listen to internal polling of what anglers want to see for opening day but not for what anglers want to see overall on the stocking program/locations of stocking.

Lets take a look under the hood here for a second.

2025 per PFBC data:
437,436 fishing license with trout stamps sold. x $42.94 = $18,783,501.80 revenue through license sold with trout stamp.

With about 700,000 total license sold, the rest of them want nothing to do with fishing for trout, let alone a lab-created pellet fed disease filled rubber fish. Don't even get me started on the Gill Lice issues going on in Lancaster County the last couple years from a co-op hatcheries.

The total population of PA over 18 years old is 9.3m

This means 4.7% of taxpayers are willingly paying for trout stamp to fund this "self-sufficient" program.

PFBC claim
3.2m fish stocked by PFBC
1.1m by co-ops

so at 4.3m stocked fish / 437,000 trout stamps = 9.84 fish stocked per trout stamp.

then we take $18,783,501.80 revenue on trout stamp license sales / 4,300,000 stocked fish = $4.37 per stocked fish from the revenue of stamps sold.

PFBC is asking us to trust these numbers that they have budgeted for. I dont.

Perhaps some of you know more than me, but I don't believe that it only costs $4.37 to raise an 11 inch trout over the course of 18 months. I could be wrong, I have been in the past, and certainly will be in the future, but I don't think I am here. Maybe, just maybe, this is why they are opening up boat launch slips to be used for "other" projects within the fisheries management as well as taking capital funds to the tune of $100,000,000 over the next few years to subsidize the hatchery infrastructure and stocking programs. the more they can get into the "general fund" the more they can pull away from other projects and divert those funds to stocking and hatcheries. That is just the monies they are taking from the state general fund that is on the books. That doesn't include grant monies from other entities that had be funded by capital funds that made their way through.

Separate from my thoughts on where they stock trout, I question whether its even fiscally responsible for them to grow and stock this many trout in general. I am sure there is a number of fish they could grow and stock that would work within the budget, but the number they are putting forward currently is not sustainable long term without pulling even more taxpayer dollars to a program that has claimed since its onset in its very charter that it is self-sufficient.

The Rodfather
Engagement Czar and Conservation Chair
Dauphin County League of Chubsmen
$4.37 is ridiculously cheap average cost for an adult trout. If you’ve ever purchased trout for a club stocking you’d know a small adult rainbow in the 8-10” range runs about that much. A brown, brookie, or golden runs even more. A lunker size fish 18+ inches might cost anywhere from $15-$20 each.
 
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I'd love to know the % of trout stamps sold to people who don't fish for stocked trout or C&R everything. While it is obviously the minority, I'd bet it's more than most think.
 
I barely fish for stocked trout and haven't kept a fish since I was 17, a LONG time ago so I almost fit the criteria.

However, it doesn't trouble me to buy a trout stamp any more than it does to fund other PFBC things I don't utilize or places in PA where I don't fish.
 
I'd love to know the % of trout stamps sold to people who don't fish for stocked trout or C&R everything. While it is obviously the minority, I'd bet it's more than most think.
I bet it’s a low single digit percentage who don’t fish for stockers. I’d also bet 50% of people who buy a trout stamp only fish opening weekend then hang it up for the year.
 
However, it doesn't trouble me to buy a trout stamp any more than it does to fund other PFBC things I don't utilize or places in PA where I don't fish.
I could almost agree with that. But when the PFBC is harming wild fish populations and contributing to the demise of native species through their stocking program, it changes the calculus for me.
 
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