Poconos 11/7-11/8 Monroe County

Mike wrote:
Clearly of stocked origin. Fin shape is as others mentioned, but fin colors ( white highlights) are not developed to the extent that I would expect for RT that had been in the wild for even six months.. Also, vents are distended as are those that have been on a "high growth" feeding program.
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Hey FBIII,

Nice fish, and don't worry about being wild. The Brodhead gets a fall stocking of rainbows. No way those fish came up from the D River.

Mike confirmed above they are stocked (beer bellies and tiny heads..lol).
 
afishinado wrote:
The Brodhead gets a fall stocking of rainbows. No way those fish came up from the D River.
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There isn't a fall stocking as far down as FB3 is fishing. I highly doubt the fall stocked rainbows made there way down there. They are likely holdovers though as I've caught plenty of bows in that section even in the heat of the summer.


Hooker of Men...I fished Forevergreen yesterday in the rain. I fished the majority of the public stretch with various streamers. I landed 2 and missed 1/2 dozen or so more including one very large butter belly. I've got skunked there more than once but it definitely holds fish. In the next week or so you should be able to visually spot several browns sitting on reds. A little bit of sunlight and polarized glasses should help as well.
 
Afish, those fish are not anything like the ones they stock. The fish they stock are way different characteristic wise. The fish are so plump, the actual fins are pretty large and they do not roll like a normal pfbc stocker would. Bright silvery belly, metallic pink stripe down the side. I think either those fish swim down from up above, and have been there a while, or my buddy Ben Turpin seems to think they might have come from the Delaware. If they came from the D im not saying they are wild, but is pretty cool if they in fact did. It will always be a mystery of the origin of these fish.
 
fisherboy3 wrote:
Afish, those fish are not anything like the ones they stock. The fish they stock are way different characteristic wise.
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Who is "they." Trout are often stocked by private clubs and individuals. If fall-stocked, I would bet there is a likelihood they would migrate in loose schools. And, stocked trout will color-up in a raceway if temperatures and available light is consistent with their biology.

So, I would say that their characteristics based on the pictures and description does not point to wild origins. Maybe you should say whether you caught any in the 4-6 inch range.
 
Jack,
I have already stated that they are most likely not of wild origin. And "they" is referring to the pfbc. The fish that they stock that i have seen in the brodhead are ugly, beat up, and not near any size of the ones in the pictures. I cant remember the last stocked fish zi caught that looked that good. Who knows where they come from.
 
fisherboy3 wrote:
Jack,
I have already stated that they are most likely not of wild origin. And "they" is referring to the pfbc. The fish that they stock that i have seen in the brodhead are ugly, beat up, and not near any size of the ones in the pictures. I cant remember the last stocked fish zi caught that looked that good. Who knows where they come from.
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Mike is a fisheries biologist and here is what he wrote after seeing the pics of the fish you asked about:

Clearly of stocked origin. Fin shape is as others mentioned, but fin colors (white highlights) are not developed to the extent that I would expect for RT that had been in the wild for even six months.. Also, vents are distended as are those that have been on a "high growth" feeding program.
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The above observation is obvious to me, also. Those clearly look like very recently stocked rainbow trout, likely raised in a private hatchery and overfed with high protein and high fat fish pellets with added carotenoids for enhanced pigmentation That’s why the color “looks good” and they fish are grossly overweight and oversized for their age. Fish looking anything like that would not come from the Delaware River, even as holdovers. I know Ben pretty well; have him look at the pics. I would guess a private club stocked these fish in the stream or they escaped from the club water.

You mentioned that the stream is usually dominated by brown trout (wild ones I would assume). I would be POed to think these stocked fish were thrown in a wild trout stream or even migrate from some club water.

 
Well reguardless of where they come from, still beautiful fish.
 
The only reason that I question the origin is simple. People have talked about the origin of these fish for years now. Read Turpins article on the Brodhead, it talks about them there. Its not that I am questioning whether they are wild or not, thats simple. But not all the fish were obese and colored up. Should just put a tracking tag on one to see where they go lol.
 
fisherboy. please don't take my comments wrong. I have no issue with stocked fish. I was trying to answer your distinguishing these catches from what you are used to from PFBC stockings by suggesting they may have been planted by private entities.
 
Just a misunderstanding. Yea i dont think that the pfbc stocked those fish. Too pretty IMO
 
So guys I will be in this area for Thanksgiving and was also thinking of fishing the Brodhead. I have never fished this area before at all. Do you guys have any suggestions on where to go on the Brodhead or another stream altogether? Also what fly selection should I be trying? I'm still a beginner so any help would be greatly appreciated. I'll be staying at Mountain spring lake in Readers right near Tannersville. I know for a fact there are a lot of pickerel in the lake also just not sure they would be worth going after this time of year. What do you all think?

Again any help on location and fly selection would be great! I always find it hard to go anywhere new blindly.

Nathan
 
I fish the broadhead quite often. Any of the parks located along rt 191 just above stroudsburg will give you good access. I fish the lower section a lot too. I've had success with streamers most recently, wooly buggers white and brown and motto minnows. Iso nymphs would be a good go to, bigger nymphs in size 10-14. Also, I noticed a ton of scuds along the banks when I was there about a week ago, petty tiny though size 18-20. If it warms up throughout the day look for caddis flies and BWOs.
 
Fish the parks along rt 191 all have fish from the fall stockings along with some holdovers/ wild fish here snd there. Id be fishing rubberleg stones or someother sort of stonefly, 18 pts and eggs in 18-20
 
Thanks for the info guys. I have some stoneflies what sizes do you suggest? Also sorry for my ignorance like I said still new to fly fishing but what do you mean by 18 pts?

I really do appreciate the help guys.

On another note I was going to make a trip over to the Evening Hatch fly shop. Its about 30mins from where I'll be anyone ever been there? Is it worth the trip?

Thanks

Nathan
 
Evening hatch is worth the trip. As you go up rt 115 right after the race track there is a nature preserve on the left you will see big stone pillas. The stream that goes thru there is Tobyhana ad that section gets stocked in the fall not to mention fish that escape from the Golden mile club. very nice waterfall about 3/4 of a mile in. You can also continue along rt 715 and right by the outlets is Pocono creek about a 1/2 mile from Mou ntain spring lakes. Good luck
 
Yes i meant size 18 beadhead pheasant tails. And i was using size 8-12 stoneflies.
 
Thanks for the help guys. I had a great trip! Not much luck fishing but still had a great time on the water. Friday I spent a good part of the day on the Brodhead creek at Pinebrook park and a short time on the Tobyhanna creek off Rt115. Made the trip to The Evening Hatch and would HIGHLY recommend it to anyone who is going to be in the area. I am just starting to learn to tie and the guy working there named Joe was great! Very knowledgeable and took the time to listen to all of my questions and help me out even got out some of his flies to show me some tips. All in all it was a great trip. Thanks again for the help on where to go I really appreciate it.

Thanks again

Nathan
 
Is it correct to assume that the "Catch and Release" posting at Forevergreen does NOT constitute a state Special Regs section and that water is not open right now? I don't see it listed anywhere as such, and I always assumed it was just C&R based on the preferences of whoever is running the preserve. I ran into a guy fishing there this evening and talked with him a bit, and he certainly seemed to think it was open. He was aware of the C&R policy, so I'm not really personally concerned about him fishing, but it made me wonder. That water is legally closed, right?

Sorry if it's poor form to bump an old topic.
 
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