Fishing Creek (Lancaster County), 6/21/2014

Alnitak

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Yesterday I met up with englishprof and fadeaway263 to fish the lower portion of Fishing Creek in southern Lancaster County. Fishing Creek is a beautiful stream; we fished the property primarily owned by the Lancaster County Conservancy between Furniss Road (SR 434) and Fern Glen Drive (SR 444). Its an ATW water but it has a healthy population of wild brown trout. The PFBC stocks the stream with Rainbows and Browns.

The stream is in a heavily forested gorge and many of the areas bordering the stream--especially on the north-facing slopes--are covered in hemlocks. The stream is rated as an Exceptional Value stream by the PA DEP and has very good populations of macro invertebrates. It does receive fishing pressure from locals because of the ATW status, but that dies off by this time of year. The deep pools are also heavily used by locals for swimming on weekends, but only the ones near the road.

Speaking of the road, Fishing Creek Road parallels the stream through this section which stretches for almost exactly three miles. Its a gravel road full of potholes and it crosses the stream three times using concrete-lined fords. If you have a regular car make sure its got good clearance if you want to drive in here.

The weather called for "passing light showers" in the morning and a mostly cloudy afternoon. Unfortunately the showers were less "passing" than that, and for much of the first three hours of the day it rained on and off. The water rose and was silty although it was passable for fishing. It was also cold at 60.4F.

We started out fishing a variety of traditional patterns--I was using a BH flash hare's ear with a small inch worm dropper. After 30+ minutes of fishing without any bites, I switched out to BH flashback pheasant tail and dropped a hot pink San Juan which typically works well after a rain. That did the trick and I quickly landed three fish from one pool--the first a nice 12" wild brown and the next two were 13" and 14" stocked rainbows. I hiked down to where the other two were and sent them up to the spot I was at and told them what was working. Englishprof quickly had two wild browns.

We then took a brief break for lunch and fished a short section downstream of where we started. I believe fadeaway 263 had a wild brown or two in that stretch and englishprof caught a large wild brown in a fast run. After about 30 minutes we had hit the nearby pools so we moved upstream. I hooked a large wild brown and lost it and then landed a little 8" from the same pool. Upstream of me just a bit fadeaway lost a large rainbow and englishprof then managed to hook the same fish as fadeaway tied on a new rig.

At that point I had 8 fish total--six wild browns, mostly small, and two stocked rainbows. I believe englishprof had a similar number of fish and fadeaway had a smaller total. They had to head home, as did I, but I managed to find an area with cell signal and got permission from She Who Must be Obeyed to stay out for two more hours. 😀

I moved upstream to the next set of promising pools and rolled a big brown and then followed that up with two nice rainbows in quick succession--one was 15" and the other 14". Further upstream I got into a nice patch and caught several small wild browns before coming to a nice pool that starts with a long fast run. I fished it from the back end and and hooked and lost a large brown; after a few rod-bending runs of the pool it broke my 5x tippet. Working further up that pool I followed up with a 13" stocked brown then two rainbows, one 14" and one 13". The last fish I pulled from that pool was a complete surprise--it was a 14" brookie, nice and fat and with a developing hook jaw. It must have managed to slip in with the rainbows and brown trout. It gave me a "stocker trifecta" in a single pool--that was a first.

Upstream of that I rolled one more brown and then caught a little 6" wild brown to cap the day. Overall it wasn't a bad day, although the rain and subsequent cloudy water got it off to a weak start. I ended up with 16 fish, 8 wild browns, 6 stocked rainbows, one stocked brown and the misfit stocked brookie.

The last photo is a little Rosy-sided Dace. They are an uncommon fish in PA and this is one of only a few streams I've seen them in. They are aggressive and will hit a dry fly that's almost the same size as them--or try to eat a San Juan that's as long as they are. Fishing Creek is also home to another small fish that's quite rare--the Chesapeake Logperch. It's on the IUCN list of threatened species and is found only in the lower reaches of the Susquehanna and some tributaries on PA and MD.

Jeff
 

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Alnitak invited the Prof and I to meet him on Fishing Creek which we have never fished before. It was 71 degrees and raining on and off [weathermen were wrong on this one]. Water was 60.4 degrees which surprised me as Valley, spring fed and limestone, has lately been clocking in at 64. We fished from 9 till 2:30PM. Prof and Alnitak got five a piece which included some real nice wild browns. I got 2 small wild browns which was a good sign of reproduction. Alnitak says he once got one that was 2 inches. I think all the fish were caught on size 14/18 pink SJWorms. Not much bug activity but we did see some sulphers. I have a question. I am unaccustomed to a huge strikes on a 1st cast to a nice spot. On my 1st cast I usually am paying more attention to drift and place to get hung up. Needless to say one of my 1st casts to a pool on this stream resulted in a nice sized rainbow coming out of the water to grab the worm. Completely caught me by surprise and I lost the fish. On my 2nd cast I got hung up under a rock and lost my fly. I told the Prof who was standing close by and also fishing the worm to try for this fish as I didn't want to lose it while going thru the ordeal of a new fly. Prof got it on his 2nd cast. Do I get any credit? Anyway Dkile once again this site allowed a hook up of new friends and we will go back after I get all 4 wheels on my Jeep re-aligned.
 
Sorry Jeff did not see your post as I spent all night trying to come up with your username. I caught a cold in the rain yesterday so what is your excuse for not fishing today!!!
 
Thank you for the report. Apparently I gave your comrades for the day some bad info. I do not think that the wild trout population used to extend that far downstream. In fact, you found them miles below where we had found them to be present in fairly high numbers. Your results make me want to go back to the database to see whether or not I have suffered from brain fade since that survey of about 25 yrs ago or whether the stream has improved that much. The question that I will research is whether or not we found ANY wild trout at your fishing location.

By the way, rosyside dace are common in southern Lancaster, southern Chester, and York Co. They are a transitional species with respect to water temps....not cold not warm.

Nice prop on the Chesapeake logperch. They are a cool fish and much to my delight we found a large, previously unknown population in a previously unsurveyed stream down there just a week ago.

Also, a return to a stream of my childhood revealed that my memory isn't all that bad. I remember having been umbrella netting shiners from a stream on perhaps 200 occasions. In that 13 yr time period I netted two of what I later came to realize were wild browns....one fing and one 7-8 incher. This was still an unsurveyed water up until a week ago or so and my memory was correct. Turns out that my childhood shiner creek (for catfish, walleye and crappie fishing in the river) is a wild trout stream too. Southern Lancaster, like southern York, holds some nice wild trout streams...somewhat degraded, but still nice.
 
mike,

They have extended virtually the whole way down to the river. IMO not in great numbers to be class a but then again Iam using a fishing rod to sample.

Re- survey?
 
Sal the Prof and I talked a lot about you yesterday. It was tragedy that we lost all of those posts you sent the Prof about fishing Lancaster County. Shout out to the mods...anyway of tacking my report on to Jeff's? Fadeout
 
fadeaway263 wrote:
Sorry Jeff did not see your post as I spent all night trying to come up with your username. I caught a cold in the rain yesterday so what is your excuse for not fishing today!!!

Who says I'm not fishing today? 😀

I just got permission to get out for four hours...away we go!

Jeff
 
Pink worms!...... :-o (at least you were using fly tackle..I hope!)...😛

Nice report. Glad you guys had a good time and found a new place to fish.

 
I'd be paying attention to whatever fish might strike on my first cast and not be too concerned about getting the perfect drift, or figuring out what I might get hung up on. A lot of times, the first cast is the cast that gets the fish. Further casts put down the fish or yield half-hearted interest. You need to fish some wild brookie waters to fully appreciate this - sometimes I swear the little buggers hit the fly before it even hits the water. Bottom line is expect a strike on your first cast. The fish aren't grading you on the perfect mend or your evaluation of where you will get hung up. Unless, perhaps, you are fishing to the edumacated fish that also understand Latin and require a perfectly matched size and species hatch to be caught.

Regarding water temps, compare human development around Valley and around this stream. Impervious surface around Valley >> impervious surface around Fishing Creek. Geology certainly is an influencing factor when it comes to water temperatures but so is human development. Human development here is more along the lines of agricultural, which has its own set of influences on water temperature, quality and turbidity.
 
Jeff's report speaks for itself. I'll simply add that I never expected what we found in that stream. Sal, ours was a '"rod survey" also, but the number and size of wild browns we caught in a relatively short period of time down there was amazing.....at least to me. Would love to see the results of a State survey. I think it would be very interesting.
 
Mike wrote:
Thank you for the report. Apparently I gave your comrades for the day some bad info. I do not think that the wild trout population used to extend that far downstream. In fact, you found them miles below where we had found them to be present in fairly high numbers. Your results make me want to go back to the database to see whether or not I have suffered from brain fade since that survey of about 25 yrs ago or whether the stream has improved that much. The question that I will research is whether or not we found ANY wild trout at your fishing location.

Mike if you survey again may I suggest the sections just above and below the 2 concrete "cross unders"?
 
Which ones? There are 3.

I always felt like that section down to the river would be a wonderful habitat enhancement area. Easy to do also, road is right there
 
Maybe easy access, but expensive. It would need to be narrowed down like Big Spring has been to make any real difference. Check it out during typical summer flows....it is sad to see in a stream with that potential.
 
People tend to lose sight of the fact that we are having an exceptional Spring and early Summer for stream conditions. We need rain now but almost every stream in the Southeast is still above median flow and those were often averaged out over many years. Almost every stream had much more water years ago, so median flow usually looks pretty darn good. Most years I couldn't (or wouldn't) fish local streams due to lack of flow and high temps. Today I went out in the middle of the day and found willing fish in 66 degree water on a freestone stream. This hasn't been a typical season by a long shot; just saying.......
 
I dunno mike.

I mean, yes you are correct but I think rebaring a few trees in some of the holes would go along way for providing cover from predators during low flow periods.

I'm not talking about making undercuts or rolling rocks so much.
 
Sal what did you mean by "rebarring trees" and what predators Herons? PS the middle of the 3 bridges for a survey.
 
fadeaway263 wrote:
Sal what did you mean by "rebarring trees"

Don't mean to steal Sal's thunder...but what he is talking about is putting woody vegetation (old Christmas trees, logs, etc) into the stream and pinning them to the bottom with steel re-bar (or "rebar"). He's just using the word "rebar" as a verb.
This is the standard way in which wood structures are fixed to the bottom in stream improvement projects: they're typically pinned with 3-4 foot long pieces of re-bar. This keeps them in place and prevents floods from blowing them out.
 
This is another example of the trend towards improving wild trout populations in Lancaster and York Counties.

It's a great thing, but I wish someone would give us a more thorough analysis of how and why this is happening.

Because maybe the information could be applied to other places.

Is it really the result of farmers creating fenced riparian buffers? If so, how wide are these buffers?

Are their still cows grazing in the pastures?

Or did the streams flow through tilled fields rather than cow pastures, and riparian buffers were created there?

Were trees planted, or did they grow on their own, in the buffers? Or is the vegetation in the buffers mostly shrubs? Or tall grass?

Or is the main cause not riparian buffers in actively farmed land at all? But instead a shift of land use, of former farms going out of active farming, and now being used as exurban homes for non-farmers?
 
Is it really the result of farmers creating fenced riparian buffers? If so, how wide are these buffers? Are their still cows grazing in the pastures? Or did the streams flow through tilled fields rather than cow pastures, and riparian buffers were created there? Were trees planted, or did they grow on their own, in the buffers? Or is the vegetation in the buffers mostly shrubs? Or tall grass? Or is the main cause not riparian buffers in actively farmed land at all? But instead a shift of land use, of former farms going out of active farming, and now being used as exurban homes for non-farmers?

My guess, because nothing has changed, more rain and snow.
 
Snowfall last 30 years

The annual precipitation totals are averages based on weather data collected from 1981 to 2010 for the NOAA National Climatic Data Center.
Lancaster averages 42.8

All I could find was this for current rainfall

http://www.erh.noaa.gov/marfc/Precipitation/Departures/dep_north.365.png

We are currently 11 to 25 percent above average at almost 53.
Keep in mind that is 6/25/13 through 6/25/14 so not entirely accurate.

However our month that we average the highest amount of rain is sept. I would think this is leading to a good fall spawn.

At least it feels like more rain.
Maybe the switch to stocked rainbows. Mike any ideas?





 
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