Clinton Cty, Wild & Stocked Trout, Letter to Editor

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This letter appeared in the Lock Haven newspaper.

 
These are all still stocked. Did he mention any new class As? There really isnt much more than that in Clinton that isn't wild trout water. Not sure thsts a bad thing. There is a lot more fishable water in general in the area that was previously destroyed by mining.
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This letter appeared in the Lock Haven newspaper.

I read that, and it indeed sounds like good ole days gone by, but some of the streams named/listed not being stocked anymore would be to their benefit for wild trout, no?
 
I read that, and it indeed sounds like good ole days gone by, but some of the streams named/listed not being stocked anymore would be to their benefit for wild trout, no?
Dear wildtrout2 and others,

Go back 40 plus years before Operation Future when 99.9999% of all trout anglers in the state of Pennsylvania were thoroughly convinced that trout came from trucks. Even if they lived in a holler in East Bejesus they saw the stocking trucks delivering the fish. That mentality will never be removed in my remaining lifetime, and it's part of what disgusts me so much about this State.

Back then the State dropped around 3 million hatchery trout into streams across the State. Many of those fish weren't needed for sustaining trout fishing. When I was at PSU, Spring Creek received over 10,000 stocked trout every season until my Senior year when the discovery of the Kepone and Mirex pollution ended stocking. It went to C&R and from being just another stream where fish were dumped to an actual self-sustaining trout stream almost overnight.

That has happened in many places too.

Regards,

Tim Murphy
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There is limited stocked trout angling opportunity in Clinton Co. Other than Fishing Creek in town of Mill Hall. For someone in Mill Hall or Lock Haven you have a 30+ min drive up to Hyner/ Young Womans. Little Fishing Creek has somewhat limited access. Or you drive 20 minutes to Larrys Creek.

Wild trout opportunities abound in any direction. Lower Bald Eagle and the river provide ample warmwater options.

Fishing opportunities abound, just not locally for stocked trout.

What a problem to have....
 
There is limited stocked trout angling opportunity in Clinton Co. Other than Fishing Creek in town of Mill Hall. For someone in Mill Hall or Lock Haven you have a 30+ min drive up to Hyner/ Young Womans. Little Fishing Creek has somewhat limited access. Or you drive 20 minutes to Larrys Creek.

Wild trout opportunities abound in any direction. Lower Bald Eagle and the river provide ample warmwater options.

Fishing opportunities abound, just not locally for stocked trout.

What a problem to have....
Yes, what a problem to have: Too many wild trout.
 
Since I've moved away, I'm an outsider looking in.

I see this 'stocked vs wild trout' thing having some analogues to the 'quality deer' management stuff that ruffled feathers in the early 2000s in your Commonwealth.

Or, more recently, the divide seen over the change of opening day of firearm season in PA. I read some pretty acrid 'letters to the editor' over that deal. All the firehalls north of 80 were gonna loose all their fundraising deer hunter suppers, all the camps were gonna close, the world was ending, and on, and on.

He was pretty easy going in that letter, I thought. LOL

I think change can be hard sometimes? Not sure what the answer is. I could say 'education', but that's damn pompous. You'd hope folks could find some common ground enjoying the water and woods.

Joe
 
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"Of all the beautiful trout water in this county, only five streams will be stocked with trout from this point on."

These people pay for sex.
After being rebuffed by cousins! 😉
 
Maybe an exchange program for guys like Jeff. He can stay at my place in Lancaster County next April and pound the stockies. I’ll stay at his place and try my best on those darned wild fish that have ruined his outdoor experience.
 
This is interesting and at least a little bit surprising to me. I know Jeff, the guy who wrote the letter. I grew up with him, fished with him a bit and one of his brothers was a very good friend and college roommate of mine. For what it's worth, when I fished with him, he was solely interested in fishing spinners, although I do know that he tried to learn to fly fish at some point. I've lost contact with him and don't know whether he fly fishes at all these days or if he's still just a spinner guy. I do know that Jeff's NOT a poor fisherman. He wrote a book about fishing for trout with spinners (admittedly, that doesn't make you a good fisherman, but I can tell you that he is) and he's always kept a logbook about his fishing trips. I don't think 50, 60 or 100 trout days have ever been completely surprising for him, and I would think that over the years, the vast majority of trout that he's caught would probably be wild fish. Which makes it even more surprising that he wouldn't put two and two together and understand that if you want really stellar wild trout fishing, that you need to keep the stocked trout OUT of those streams. Especially if you're talking about native Brookies. I don't really have a strong reaction to his letter, other than being a bit surprised that he would have penned it at all. Hey to each his own, but in this case, I disagree with Jeff in a pretty big way.
 
There is limited stocked trout angling opportunity in Clinton Co. Other than Fishing Creek in town of Mill Hall. For someone in Mill Hall or Lock Haven you have a 30+ min drive up to Hyner/ Young Womans. Little Fishing Creek has somewhat limited access. Or you drive 20 minutes to Larrys Creek.

Wild trout opportunities abound in any direction. Lower Bald Eagle and the river provide ample warmwater options.

Fishing opportunities abound, just not locally for stocked trout.

What a problem to have....
From Lock Haven to Waterville, where Little Pine Creek meets Pine Creek, is only a 30 minute drive. Both streams are stocked. Pine Creek is the king of the stockie streams in the entire state, IMHO.

So, there is plenty of opportunity for people living in Clinton County, for both stockies and wild trout.
 
Both streams are stocked. Pine Creek is the king of the stockie streams in the entire state, IMHO.
In what way(s) were you thinking when you wrote that? I’m not looking for a long list, just what immediately came to mind.
 
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In what way(s) were you thinking when you wrote that? I’m not looking for a long list, just what immediately came to mind.
It's long, it's wide, there is plenty of room to spread out, there's plenty of public access, it's scenic, it's heavily stocked, there are good hatches, and it has some good tributaries that you can also fish.

What stockie stream is better? I couldn't think of any.
 
In what way(s) were you thinking when you wrote that? I’m not looking for a long list, just what immediately came to mind.
It's funny that Troutbert said that and you posed your question because I just spent my first extended stay fishing Pine and literally commented to my wife on the way home that it was the most fun I ever had fishing a stocked stream. The trout were plentiful, nice sized and behaved like wild fish.....caught them nymphing riffles during the day and they eagerly rose to dries in pools at dusk. There was enough bug activity to keep it interesting too.
 
If Southern Clinton Sportsmen's coop hatchery is really going to close, that might present a good opportunity for restoration of part of a brook trout stream. The hatchery is located at N 41.39282 W 77.68357

The hatchery diverts water out of Laurelly Run, a brook trout stream. Both the hatchery and the stream are on state forest land.
 
The only thing I really agree with in that letter is that reducing stocking does threaten stream access. I feel like this is something the "never stock over wild trout" crew ignores.

Let's start by protecting our brook trout. If stocking over wild browns keeps streams and rivers accessible, that is a slightly more complicated matter.

Other than that, I'd be thankful to live in a county that has so much wild trout water that stocking has dwindled.
 
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