Big Spring Creek, Cumberland County, 02/14/2009

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This is my back yard so I only fished for 1.5 hours but lost two and brought one about 8 inches to hand on a size 16 hares ear beadhead. It is my own tie, it has a grizzly hackle barb tail and uses the darker natural mask fur and ultra fine gold wire with a gold bead. I don't put a wing case on it at all. Just dubbing and wire rib. Works well in alot of places.

From what I could see, it looked like I had the stream to myself.

Mike
 
Mike,
I was there on Friday and there were a couple fellas looking around. I was showing NCYakker around the local creeks and we hit BSC for a couple hours. I hooked a big 'bow but he broke me off. I lost the same fish a couple months ago. The creek looked good with the little brookies getting more numerous in the Ditch.
 
Fish,

I would venture a guess at where you hooked the big bow, I have found one area the there seems to be quite few large ones hanging out. I lost a nice one last weekend well below the ditch.

Mike
 
im only 31 years old and dont remember big spring before the hatchery made this fishery decline. Anyone that has fished it before that time frame could you answer me something, did the entire creek look like it does in the ditch? I dont mean depth but did it have all that aquatic vegetation that thick along its entire length?
If it did, what a shame. Probably was the best stream in Pa.
 
Sal,
The heritage section below the Ditch - the "Ditch" is usually defined as ending at the concrete mill dam where the water gage and parking area is today - hasn't changed much in the last 25 or so years that I've been fishing it. The vegetation in the lower heritage section is similar. About half a mile below the Ditch there used to be a fish barrier to protect brookies. This barrier was widely regarded as ineffective as the area above it had become populated by browns and rainbows and, by the early 80s, the brookies in the upper section were declining. Browns had been common in the Ditch well back into the era when that was the mill pond pool. The state record brown trout for some time had come from this pool. The barrier was knocked out, I seem to recall, in 1994 and the ruins were bulldozed out this winter. This lower section of the heritage area has been shallow for a long time and I think it might be a bit shallower today. In the 80s I could still find some big trout in the lower heritage section, usually browns. By the time the hatchery closed in 2001 there were almost no trout in the lower heritage section and nobody fished down there. Today, the bigger trout tend to be in the lower heritage section however they are still relatively scarce. Rainbows appear to be becoming dominant and brookies are gradually re-populating the upper section including the Ditch. Debate continues about the best course of action. Personally, I'd like to see a barrier replaced but most folks seem to prefer a hands off approach as the brookies seem to be coming back okay (albeit slowly). The sections of BSC below the heritage section down into Newville are managed put and take and stocked with adult brookies. The habitat closer to town has deeper water and more cover but for some reason has never really taken off as a wild trout fishery. Perhaps, this will improve with time as the water chemistry continues to evolve in the post hatchery era.
 
Thanks for the reply. I know i have loved fishing this creek the past few years and i have had some really good luck. Catching tons of wild brookies and Including hooking a few bows above 20 inches and catching what appeared to be a cut bow.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/salvelinusfontinalis/BIG%20SPRING/HPIM3305.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/salvelinusfontinalis/BIG%20SPRING/HPIM3306.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/salvelinusfontinalis/BIG%20SPRING/HPIM3307.jpg

I dont know if it really was but the fish looks odd compared to the other bows.

The section well below the heritage section that runs into the woods is a really nice piece of water. I dont know why there isnt many wild fish in that section either.
I have had most luck in the open water, having caught tons of wild bows throughout that stretch.

Your right about the brookies making a comeback in the ditch. Last time i was there.....early this winter....they were every where. I even saw a brookie, im not exaggerating, that easily measured 16-17 inches. He was rising to midges and the other 2 fisherman i was with couldnt catch him either. I so wanted to see that fish out of the water!

So i guess from what your saying it really never had the aquatic veg. in it that the ditch has.
 
oh yeah just thought id throw this pic of big spring in the post. My favorite pic of the creek ive taken to date:

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/salvelinusfontinalis/BIG%20SPRING/HPIM3511.jpg
 
Oh my god, where do you find these places.
 
who me?
 
Sal,
Nice pics - no doubt BSC is a beautiful stream. And yes, the vegetation in the lower heritage area is largely unchanged. These days, the Ditch actually has more vegetation in it.
The trout is a rainbow. Rainbows with "cutthroat" markings under their chin are really not that rare. Some strains of western 'bows, like the Redband Trout, typically have this orange mark and it has found its way into mixed strain hatchery rainbows found here in PA. There seemed to me to have been a lot of these orange chin 'bows in Spring Creek back in the 80s. I have also seen this on many of the wild fish in Falling Springs.
To the best of my knowledge, the PFBC has never had a cutthroat program and I'm unaware of any stocking of them in PA (perhaps some clubs have stocked them). Maryland does stock some cutthroats so it is possible that cutthroat genes may be present here in PA but I strongly doubt this. I seem to recall that there was a discussion on this forum about three years ago regarding this issue.
 
Sal,

The first two links are for Big Spring specifics and the second two are more general to limestones. The sites are run by Gene Macri, an acquatic scientist. Feel free to email Gene anytime, he's a nice guy and will respond to your questions.

http://www.bigspringcreek.com/

http://www.aquaticinstitute.com/

http://www.flyfisher.com/

http://www.limestoner.com/


I was there two Sundays ago fishing just downstream of the Big Spring bridge and landed a brookie that probably went about 16" and 2+ lbs. I got him on a muddler under the weeds. Earlier in the summer in the same spot I hooked into another brookie that easily toped 20" and probably went around 4+ lbs. I manage to get him close enough to get a good look but he made one last run and the hook came out. He took a white Shenk's minnow under the weeds.

What I will say is for every one fish you see there are probably 10 you don't see.

Have you seen the two residence monster browns (26 plus inches each) in the ditch that come out every now and then?
 
I most certainly have. But im telling you there is a bow that is far larger than those two fish. About the smae length but his girth is amazing.

Ive seen those sites before they are real nice. I just wondered what it was like back in the day from an anglers perspective.
 
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