single hook

[redietz]

What is the thoughts and opinions to allow the use of only a single hook in any of the C&R or special regs ,delayed harvest and wild trout streams i have many times thought it would be a topic worth someone presenting to the PFBC

I think it's a horrible idea. I fish teams of wet flies, as has been the practice of wet fly fishermen for a thousand years or more and see it as attempt to prohibit that sort of fishing. I would, however, be in favor of banning weighted flies and the use of split shot.

 

[Cznymph]

I think it's a horrible idea. I fish teams of wet flies, as has been the practice of wet fly fishermen for a thousand years or more and see it as attempt to prohibit that sort of fishing. I would, however, be in favor of banning weighted flies and the use of split shot.

What are the ecological consequences of weighted flies and splitshot?

 

[redietz]

What are the ecological consequences of weighted flies and splitshot?

As Lee Wulff pointed out, fish deserve the "sanctuary of the deep water". In his Angler's Creed (about salmon, but he preached the same about trout) rule #1 was:

1. I will fish leagally with fly fishing equipment, using no weight either on my flies or in my line to give the salmon the sanctuary of the deep water which has long been deemed essential to their survival.

In other words, give holding fish a break.

 

[Cznymph]

As Lee Wulff pointed out, fish deserve the "sanctuary of the deep water". In his Angler's Creed (about salmon, but he preached the same about trout) rule #1 was:

1. I will fish leagally with fly fishing equipment, using no weight either on my flies or in my line to give the salmon the sanctuary of the deep water which has long been deemed essential to their survival.

In other words, give holding fish a break.

What actual scientific data do you have to support this?

 

[redietz]

What actual scientific data do you have to support this?

None, as far as I know. I don't care for nymph fishing and wouldn't be hurt if it were banned. The suggestion in the OP seems to be in a hurry to ban traditional wet fly fishing, so I thought I'd pile on. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, so to speak.

(OTOH, weighted flies are banned on many salmon streams, and I suppose it could be argued that there is a fine line between weighted flies and snagging.)

 

[Nocktavius]

Lee Wulff also fished the Catskill rivers in a different era- long before the trout got hammered daily by so many anglers of varying skill levels that the fish will now only surface feed on a specifically crippled version of the bug presented perfectly in the 15 min before sunset.

I'd expect if his experience began to match the current state of affairs up there, ole Lee might second guess his stance on the "sanctuary of deep water".

As Lee Wulff pointed out, fish deserve the "sanctuary of the deep water". In his Angler's Creed (about salmon, but he preached the same about trout) rule #1 was:

1. I will fish leagally with fly fishing equipment, using no weight either on my flies or in my line to give the salmon the sanctuary of the deep water which has long been deemed essential to their survival.

In other words, give holding fish a break.

 

[redietz]

Lee Wulff also fished the Catskill rivers in a different era- long before the trout got hammered daily by so many anglers of varying skill levels that the fish will now only surface feed on a specifically crippled version of the bug presented perfectly in the 15 min before sunset.

I'd expect if his experience began to match the current state of affairs up there, ole Lee might second guess his stance on the "sanctuary of deep water".

Actually, I usually do very well up there fishing wets a few inches under the surface. No need to go deep. There are choices between fishing on the surface and fishing on bottom.

 

[shakey]

Two things

I almost always fish three flies at a time.

My catch rate has increased since I started using barbless hooks.

 

[[WR]]

Dry dropper or double dropper rigs are common in a lot of western salmonid waters, as many here who've fished out there know. Some states limit you to 2 hooks per line. Barbed v barbless? depends where you are.

Certain, umm, State Entities have legislated barbed hooks out of existence on certain waters, and one or two have tried the single point, single line, barbless only route on major waters fished concurrently for multiple species. And even that depends on what day it is, where you are, and what seasonal fish you're after. It's a nightmare for the fish, the fishermen and the enforcement folks.

Trebles, especially weighted trebles, are considered illegal snagging gear some places when not fished as part of a lure. Thats why you'll see guides for steelhead or up river brights in places like Oregon or southwestern Washington remove the trebles and add a larger single point barbless hook instead (Exception Alaska, theyre allowed to snag in order to fill their larders)

@flies&brookies; you're not seriously thinking of proposing a single point, single line barbless rule, are you?
Also, was going to PM you some info for research examples, but your personal contact restrictions won't allow it.

 

[dudemanspecial]

I think it's a horrible idea. I fish teams of wet flies, as has been the practice of wet fly fishermen for a thousand years or more and see it as attempt to prohibit that sort of fishing. I would, however, be in favor of banning weighted flies and the use of split shot.

O.P. clairified a few posts down from the original that they mean treble hooks and lures with multiple hooks, not multiple single hook flies.

 

[Tabasco-Joe]

Couple thoughts here. If you are seeing lots of trout with torn up jaws it sounds like the issue is too much fishing pressure. Second, seems they survived a number of previous encounters with fishermen.

 

[[WR]]

O.P. clairified a few posts down from the original that they mean treble hooks and lures with multiple hooks, not multiple single hook flies.

Ok, must've missed that.

 

[redietz]

Ok, must've missed that.

I did too.