Spot Burning...Gim me a break
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I stand corrected one guy out of all the replies said he wanted to go. That report will add one fisherman from another state for maybe a few days in the year.
Still a far cry from spot burning it.
Still a far cry from spot burning it.
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Nobody said it was a spot burn. Afish was just stating how a report can generate traffic.
I have also noticed a huge spike in traffic on valley. In that time, there have been numerous posters that have made it their primary stream for discussion on this board. I was also one of them, and have since stopped giving much info on the stream publicly. It's caused traffic, and has cost me a few short fishing trips since due to crowding.
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Now timeout.
Most those guys already knew about the stream and you are assuming there are lurkers that are going to run there.
You cant prove a point about lurkers because we have NO idea there impact, if any. I think thats reaching. Im going with what was written.
Most those guys already knew about the stream and you are assuming there are lurkers that are going to run there.
You cant prove a point about lurkers because we have NO idea there impact, if any. I think thats reaching. Im going with what was written.
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Sal, they all infer they are going to check it out. dont make us copy and post all the words and highlight the ones that show they intend to fish it...thatd be boring...
David, NOT saying that at all...Simply saying, if you feel the need to mention a name, PM it. That way you can still be "helpful" without broadcasting...ALSO it takes away from the seemingly glory driven purpose for the post....
David, NOT saying that at all...Simply saying, if you feel the need to mention a name, PM it. That way you can still be "helpful" without broadcasting...ALSO it takes away from the seemingly glory driven purpose for the post....
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Fine i will collin because your wrong:
Post 1: About taking pics but nothing about going.
Post 2: "Thanks for the report and pictures. I have read a little about the wild trout there but this is the first angler report I've seen - sounds like a great little stream." Nothing about going.
Post3: "I'm not really sure how I get the pictures to come out. I am really bad with the camera. I guess I just get lucky once in awhile.
Reply With Quote" Nothing about going.
Post4: Great report Mike.
Have hiked all over that place with the scouts ,
have been wanting to fish it for years.
Guys already been there. Nothing about this post making him go.
Post5: "nice report, it truly is a gorgeous stream. I got the chance to fish it earlier this year. Hard to believe it's a stone's throw from philly (give or take)" This guy already fished it before.
Post6:"Nice report and pics Mike ! This stream looks beautiful will have to get down there for sure." Ok this is 1 guy that will go because of the post.
Post7:"I need to get back to this stream especially with my new smallstream outfit. I have an office about 10 minutes from the stream." Guy has already been there.
Post8: "Nice pics Mike. MT, just keep your flash off unless its dark, and yes, it helps to have the sun at your back." Nothing about going.
Post9:"Thanks for sharing the info and photos." Nothing about going.
Collin read the posts instead of assuming what they say.
You guys must be reading something im not.
Post 1: About taking pics but nothing about going.
Post 2: "Thanks for the report and pictures. I have read a little about the wild trout there but this is the first angler report I've seen - sounds like a great little stream." Nothing about going.
Post3: "I'm not really sure how I get the pictures to come out. I am really bad with the camera. I guess I just get lucky once in awhile.
Reply With Quote" Nothing about going.
Post4: Great report Mike.
Have hiked all over that place with the scouts ,
have been wanting to fish it for years.
Guys already been there. Nothing about this post making him go.
Post5: "nice report, it truly is a gorgeous stream. I got the chance to fish it earlier this year. Hard to believe it's a stone's throw from philly (give or take)" This guy already fished it before.
Post6:"Nice report and pics Mike ! This stream looks beautiful will have to get down there for sure." Ok this is 1 guy that will go because of the post.
Post7:"I need to get back to this stream especially with my new smallstream outfit. I have an office about 10 minutes from the stream." Guy has already been there.
Post8: "Nice pics Mike. MT, just keep your flash off unless its dark, and yes, it helps to have the sun at your back." Nothing about going.
Post9:"Thanks for sharing the info and photos." Nothing about going.
Collin read the posts instead of assuming what they say.
You guys must be reading something im not.
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Jay I already said it did. read back in my posts.
I said, "I dont think anyone isnt saying that it doesnt add traffic."
I said, "I dont think anyone isnt saying that it doesnt add traffic."
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And the point is that adding traffic to a spot that can't really handle it without the fishing going downhill, for whatever your reason, is inconsiderate.
At a place like valley, the fishing has suffered. It's just too crowded, too often.
But whatever. Valley is a major limestone stream, and not really the kind of stream that I worry about. It's smaller wild trout streams that are near urban areas, that have traditionally been a good bet for relative solitude that I worry about. It's simply impossible to advertise them without screwing the fishing up for everyone that currently enjoys them.
And that leads me to say that it's a pretty crappy thing to do.
It's not that there's an exclusivity thing. Bring whomever you want. It just seems to be in remarkably poor taste to publicly advertise it to an unlimited number of people.
I really am trying to understand arguments to the contrary, but I am unable to see their merit. And that's saying something, because I was, at one time, a very vocal supporter of posting info on any stream.
Again, it's about BROADCASTING good reports about a stream. There is no exclusivity, and you should fish it when you want, with whomever you want. It just seems to me to be very tasteless to broadcast it when a PM, email, or face to face conversation will do.
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I heard parts of Schrader Creek were recovering. Is that inaccurate?
.....and more misery for the guys just trying to find a spot to fish without driving around looking for a parking spot and some open water.
Sheesh!.....no other subject fans the flames more than this...lol.
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Can I dump a gallon of gas on the fire?
Is it hard to believe that the amount of traffic on a particular stream fluctuates up and down over a set amount of years? Sometimes heavier, sometimes lighter and that may be based simply on economic factors or quality of fishing. The good looking girl is popular until she gets heavy at 27. Too bad you didn’t stick around to see her at 35… she lost weight and is smoking hot. Same w/ a creek.
Lastly, the fish are just bringing this upon themselves. Serves them right.
Is it hard to believe that the amount of traffic on a particular stream fluctuates up and down over a set amount of years? Sometimes heavier, sometimes lighter and that may be based simply on economic factors or quality of fishing. The good looking girl is popular until she gets heavy at 27. Too bad you didn’t stick around to see her at 35… she lost weight and is smoking hot. Same w/ a creek.
Lastly, the fish are just bringing this upon themselves. Serves them right.
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Here's my take on this topic then I'll put it to rest. First as for me not naming streams I chose not to several years ago when I decided there are simply too many lurkers and no protection on most of the streams I fish. Remember I fish only a couple of stocked stream in a year, one is Pine Creek, the other is the stream my camp is on. Both streams are well known, so even mentioning them on a message board isn't going spot burn anything.
Secondly, I'm more interested in fishing where no one else fishes, meaning obscure streams that are wild trout streams and off the radar, there would be little purpose in naming the streams I fish for the world to see unless someone asked specifically about those streams. Even then I'd pm the person.
Naming stocked streams isn't spot burning, even the stream in lititz isn't spot burning. IT'S FRIGGING STOCKED. Everyone knows the stocked streams. Matter of fact everyone with skills to surf the web and read can find the streams I fish. They choose not to why should I give anyone an idea that there 's a ton of fish in an unprotected brookie stream. If someone asks I'll tell them, but not in an open forum. Why take other time to ramble on about some obscure stream no one is interested in in an open forum. Those of you who have received info from me know it's useful and to the point.
If I caught 150 brookies in a stream in Berks county in three hours that were between 9 and fifteen inches, who's going to believe it, brookies don't grow bigger than 8 inches remember?
Anyway, I gave up posting stream reports because the others posted never gave any information except I caught some fish here's a picture. It's not about protecting places and being selfish, it's about the search and finding streams that few people fish. BTW nearly all the streams I fish are on public land so mentioning them isn't going to anger any landowners.
Secondly, I'm more interested in fishing where no one else fishes, meaning obscure streams that are wild trout streams and off the radar, there would be little purpose in naming the streams I fish for the world to see unless someone asked specifically about those streams. Even then I'd pm the person.
Naming stocked streams isn't spot burning, even the stream in lititz isn't spot burning. IT'S FRIGGING STOCKED. Everyone knows the stocked streams. Matter of fact everyone with skills to surf the web and read can find the streams I fish. They choose not to why should I give anyone an idea that there 's a ton of fish in an unprotected brookie stream. If someone asks I'll tell them, but not in an open forum. Why take other time to ramble on about some obscure stream no one is interested in in an open forum. Those of you who have received info from me know it's useful and to the point.
If I caught 150 brookies in a stream in Berks county in three hours that were between 9 and fifteen inches, who's going to believe it, brookies don't grow bigger than 8 inches remember?
Anyway, I gave up posting stream reports because the others posted never gave any information except I caught some fish here's a picture. It's not about protecting places and being selfish, it's about the search and finding streams that few people fish. BTW nearly all the streams I fish are on public land so mentioning them isn't going to anger any landowners.
Oh my goodness gracious! I played basketball for a while then re-hydrated and came back to take a look at this. You guys are fighting a losing battle. CM, Afish, etc. -- the spot burners -- my generation called them kiss-and-tell fishermen -- just don't give a snot about what happens when they sell out a place. They really don't. The ones of my generation did it to make money -- the Chuck Mecks, etc. I still haven't figured out why guys do it online. Must be chest pounding that they've caught some fish. This is a losing battle that we shouldn't have to fight. We've got enough trouble with Marcellus Shale booming. But, to go back to the topic: the k/t-s/b guys just don't care about the streams or the fish they sell out.
If this seems like I'm being too nicey nice, please remember that I have tried to become more mellow over time. I'd guess if I were as young as Afish, CM, etc., I'd not be mellow at all. I think of guys who have posted in the past that they'd like to get out after a day of hard work and enjoy a little fishing but b/c of k/t-s/b the places they can get to for the evening has\ve been overrun by others (who may indeed be decent people).
I hope you young guys find some places that haven't been and won't be sold out. But, from long, sad experience, I'm warning you that you're fighting a losing battle against the k/t-s/b guys here. They won't stop, and they don't care about what happens when they do what they do.
Done.
rich
If this seems like I'm being too nicey nice, please remember that I have tried to become more mellow over time. I'd guess if I were as young as Afish, CM, etc., I'd not be mellow at all. I think of guys who have posted in the past that they'd like to get out after a day of hard work and enjoy a little fishing but b/c of k/t-s/b the places they can get to for the evening has\ve been overrun by others (who may indeed be decent people).
I hope you young guys find some places that haven't been and won't be sold out. But, from long, sad experience, I'm warning you that you're fighting a losing battle against the k/t-s/b guys here. They won't stop, and they don't care about what happens when they do what they do.
Done.
rich
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I like to tell some exploits, but you need to be tactful as only places much like Clarks and the Breeches will have their names mentioned.
Spot burning is a legitimate concern to me on fragile waters. If no one remembers this, here it is again and is a prime example of the few bad apples scenario:
http://www.wvdnr.gov/2009news/09news055.shtm
Imagine how many times this has happened and it was never found out. :-o
Did they find out about the stream on the internet? I dont know but I'm pretty confident atleast one of them has a computer.
Spot burning is a legitimate concern to me on fragile waters. If no one remembers this, here it is again and is a prime example of the few bad apples scenario:
http://www.wvdnr.gov/2009news/09news055.shtm
Imagine how many times this has happened and it was never found out. :-o
Did they find out about the stream on the internet? I dont know but I'm pretty confident atleast one of them has a computer.
rrt/Rich,
Us young fellas will carry the torch! (even though guys keep dowsing it out on us!!)
Some sage advise to live by: "Don't poop where ya eat" (or fish)
:lol:
End of story.
Us young fellas will carry the torch! (even though guys keep dowsing it out on us!!)
Some sage advise to live by: "Don't poop where ya eat" (or fish)
:lol:
End of story.
I heard parts of Schrader Creek were recovering. Is that inaccurate?
Parts have limestone diversion wells to combat the AMD.
We do have Growing Greener grants to cover the Little Schrader and the headwaters well projects. It's starting to get the recovering process but the trout do not stay in this stream. It's hopeless to fish the Schrader a few days after the in-season stocking.
However, it's one of the most beautiful streams you could ever fish. Completely out in the wilderness and 95.9% is on SGL public lands.
I'd say in 10 years this creek will be back in Charlie Mecks book. But not until then.
Parts have limestone diversion wells to combat the AMD.
We do have Growing Greener grants to cover the Little Schrader and the headwaters well projects. It's starting to get the recovering process but the trout do not stay in this stream. It's hopeless to fish the Schrader a few days after the in-season stocking.
However, it's one of the most beautiful streams you could ever fish. Completely out in the wilderness and 95.9% is on SGL public lands.
I'd say in 10 years this creek will be back in Charlie Mecks book. But not until then.
