New Jersey removes brown trout to restore wild brook trout populations

I hope it works. seems to me that they will have to keep going back and remove them though. Hard to imagine BT will be zero.
Maybe not though.
If the competitive release is enough, it may cause the native species to flourish and take back over.
I don't think the goal should ever be expected to be zero, but if it is great enough, it may keep the invasive species in check and suppressed.
 
Jimminy Crickets. I just found the source of this and the pictures of some of those brook trout and their size is astounding for such a small stream.
Reminds me a lot of the WV restoration.
 
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I hope it works. seems to me that they will have to keep going back and remove them though. Hard to imagine BT will be zero.
Not specific to this project, where I wish them continued success, but in general therein lies a major problem with such removals. A continuous need to return may lead to fading interests over time. Long term projects also run the risk of competing with changing priorities. Additionally, angler ideals may not be in alignment with fisheries management actions. It only takes one dedicated bucket biologist to foul up the works.
 
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Jimminy Crickets. I just found the source of this and the pictures of some of those brook trout and their size is astounding for such a small stream.
Reminds me a lot of the WV restoration.
That's EXACTLY what I was thinking looking at those pics. Those are some serious native brook trout! What an awesome little stream.

If you enjoy native brookie fishing, do youself a favor and watch some of Hardman Fishing Adventures YouTube videos. Jon catches really nice size natives on a regular basis, it's unreal. I believe he mostly fishes WV, where natives seem to be doing VERY well.
 
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Whoa. That would be my personal best brookie easy. What is that...14"?

I live in the Pocono's. I still would rather travel 3 hrs northwest to catch 6" brookies than step foot on a NJ stream.
I'd say your 14" guess is pretty darn close. In 40+ years of fishing for natives, my PB is 13.5". That brookie would become my new PB, but I don't see that happening in what's left of my life. 😊

I've caught a lot of really nice size natives over the years. Many at 10" and several a little bigger, so I can't complain, I've been blessed. At this point, I'm just happy to still be able to go where these gems live, regardless of results.
 
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Not specific to this project, where I wish them continued success, but in general therein lies a major problem with such removals. A continuous need to return may lead to fading interests over time. Long term projects also run the risk of competing with changing priorities. Additionally, angler ideals may not be in alignment with fisheries management actions. It only takes one dedicated bucket biologist to foul up the works.
Mike, or anyone who may know, isn't it a stated objective in the wild trout plan to do continuous surveys on the same watersheds to understand population fluctuations? Genuinely, I'm not sure if I'm remembering that correctly.

If it is a stated objective, they could always remove invasive species during those surveys. I'm sure the frequency of surveys wouldn't be great so the efficacy might not be there. But it's a thought.

I would think if the desired results were being achieved, interest wouldn't fade. It seems like native fish interest is at a high point. Hopefully more fisheries with large native fish would hold interest.

I would hope native fish would always be the priority and that angler ideals wouldn't influence management policies but to hope is foolish.
 
Not specific to this project, where I wish them continued success, but in general therein lies a major problem with such removals. A continuous need to return may lead to fading interests over time. Long term projects also run the risk of competing with changing priorities. Additionally, angler ideals may not be in alignment with fisheries management actions. It only takes one dedicated bucket biologist to foul up the works.
Truer words were never spoken about the sorry state of fisheries management in PA. No matter which side you fall on, this holds true. Some "angler ideals" seem to get traction with PFBC, while others don't. Science doesn't seem to matter. I wish they would just ignore the social pressures of some cohorts of anglers who scream for stocking invasives over natives, and do what's best for our fisheries.

The last sentence seems like a copout however. Taking no action because someone might sabotage it? Sounds like an excuse the PFBC would make.

But I share your concern about bucket biologists. Except it's not invasive browns we need to worry about. I've seen some claims within some non trout-centric groups where people are boasting about moving their favorite invasive sportfish to new waterways. Maybe they're just posturing, but even if a fraction of it is true, it's scary.
 
If the Commissioners at some point decide that native brook trout are important, the first step would be:

1) Ending stocking over native brook trout. And not just on Class A streams, which are a small percentage of the stream miles holding brook trout. That is the first step.

In the west, the first step in native cutthroat conservation/restoration was ending stocking over them.
 
If the Commissioners at some point decide that native brook trout are important, the first step would be:

1) Ending stocking over native brook trout. And not just on Class A streams, which are a small percentage of the stream miles holding brook trout. That is the first step.

In the west, the first step in native cutthroat conservation/restoration was ending stocking over them.
Agreed.
What's the next step?
 
Whatever happened to Bells Gap Run? I’m assuming nothing happened there despite all the talk that was going on during the dam improvements, right?
It was deemed impractical when it was examined more closely. The areas where BT were heaviest would be hard access and transport the fish for relocation. The number of small tributaries where BT could hide were a big problem too. There was a suggestion to give them to the raccoons ("bank release") instead. That was undesirable to deliberately kill wild fish- which would be against regulations and need special PFBC approval. It would also require multiple years of removal which would extend beyond the short period of time the reservoir was drained and once the reservoir was filled it would return as a "sanctuary" for BT. PFBC wasn't too enthusiastic either. My opinion. It was a good idea to consider it, but like many projects discussed at meetings or on the internet ( 😉 ), once you look into it seriously it became a less viable project. The decision to consider it was based on a small window of when the reservoir was drained versus particular features of the stream to suggest it would be sucessful or practical.

For those new to this. They drained the Bells Gap reservoir, which served as a refuge for BT that migrated up into BGR. There were discussions if this was an opportunity to remove BT and relocate them downstream of the dam. Anyway, the good news about the dam replacement is that it now has the capacity for bottom release, which will improve fishing below the dam (before the top release made the temps too high in the summer and BGR was mostly a put and take fishery below the dam). A number of organizations just completed a trout habitat project at the community park (see https://www.littlejuniata.net/).
As a matter of fact, they are continuing riparian buffer planting at the site this Saturday July 19th at 10AM and the community park. Help if you can.
 
I find it interesting, ok silly, that people on here conclude NJ is doing such a better job than PA because they did one project on a single stream. It appeared to have the desired effect of reducing BT substantially but what's the longterm prospects?
Can some internet sleuths find out how many streams and miles of stream NJ fish manages versus PA? Sure they can dump a lot of resources on this project because they have less competing options.
 
It was deemed impractical when it was examined more closely. The areas where BT were heaviest would be hard access and transport the fish for relocation. The number of small tributaries where BT could hide were a big problem too. There was a suggestion to give them to the raccoons ("bank release") instead. That was undesirable to deliberately kill wild fish- which would be against regulations and need special PFBC approval. It would also require multiple years of removal which would extend beyond the short period of time the reservoir was drained and once the reservoir was filled it would return as a "sanctuary" for BT. PFBC wasn't too enthusiastic either. My opinion. It was a good idea to consider it, but like many projects discussed at meetings or on the internet ( 😉 ), once you look into it seriously it became a less viable project. The decision to consider it was based on a small window of when the reservoir was drained versus particular features of the stream to suggest it would be sucessful or practical.

For those new to this. They drained the Bells Gap reservoir, which served as a refuge for BT that migrated up into BGR. There were discussions if this was an opportunity to remove BT and relocate them downstream of the dam. Anyway, the good news about the dam replacement is that it now has the capacity for bottom release, which will improve fishing below the dam (before the top release made the temps too high in the summer and BGR was mostly a put and take fishery below the dam). A number of organizations just completed a trout habitat project at the community park (see https://www.littlejuniata.net/).
As a matter of fact, they are continuing riparian buffer planting at the site this Saturday July 19th at 10AM and the community park. Help if you can.
Thanks for the update! What is the design that allows it to be bottom release? What is the size and depth of the reservoir and could this technique be used on other smaller reservoirs throughout Pa. I would think that smaller reservoirs would be drained of cold water quickly unless it was a very restricted release that would just keep downstream areas viable for trout without "wasting" the cold water.
 
Thanks for the update! What is the design that allows it to be bottom release? What is the size and depth of the reservoir and could this technique be used on other smaller reservoirs throughout Pa. I would think that smaller reservoirs would be drained of cold water quickly unless it was a very restricted release that would just keep downstream areas viable for trout without "wasting" the cold water.
Most of what you ask is beyond my knowledge base. But I imagine it could be done on other reservoirs. The BG reservoir needed to be replaced and during design they made it CWR due to some suggestions/lobbying to the Altoona water authority. It would be very unlikely they or any entity would replace a sound dam just to accommodate bottom release. So, if you guys know of an impending dam replacement on your favorite stream, lobby for it.
 
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