Big Brother is Watching

[cmkrachen]

the money im referring to isnt in the articles because the articles show fast eddy throwing his hands up and saying i didnt know...when in fact the articles imply he did know and im telling you he knew...or is that not clear enough, i'd rather be transparent...than ignorant or corrupt, two very synonymous words with your political favoring...

 

[JackM]

FarmerDave wrote:
Why is the mainstream media ignoring this.

link

If I lived in Ohio's 17th, I'd vote for him-- even if he were an R (ok, maybe not, but the point stands).

 

[cmkrachen]

"top staffers knew" is right in the title are you blind...you think the top staffers knew and he didnt...again...your ignorance is your bliss...

 

[JackM]

cmkrachen wrote:
the money im referring to isnt in the articles... [but] im telling you he knew...

Don't worry, we all trust you.

 

[cmkrachen]

His administration CREATED the mess...not trying to get the bottom of it...you're like a particularly cheap lollypop that is often given out at banks and on halloween, it has a name, but if i called you it, itd be a sudden crossing of the line and youd ban me with your supreme mod powers...certainly you can only evade and pull the blanket up with your intellectual ones

 

[FarmerDave]

cmkrachen wrote:
Cause A. its ohio, and B. he's a democrat...and we know what the mainstream media registers as...

Correction. He was a Democrat.;-)

Maybe I should move about 20 miles south so I can vote for him. afterall, he isn't a Dem anymore.

 

[pcray1231]

I know I came into this late, and I only got through the first page. But here goes:

JackM defending Rendell for allegations of flip-flopping on severance taxes.

Thank you. I find the severance tax a worthwhile concept, but when you try to put it down on paper, there are a lot of details to be worked out. Tax on exploration, on volume available, or volume drawn, tax dependent upon safety measures in place, tax variable as to sensitive locations, how much tax, tax on who? Rendell has never opposed severance taxes and hasn't "flip-flopped."

Translation: It's more complicated than "I support" or "I oppose". A knowledgable position sounds wishy washy to the uninformed. Propoganda feeds on the uninformed by drawing clear-cut conclusions for you. Look into the details, make your own informed decision, even if it sounds wishy washy to the brainwashed.

All well and good, I agree. But then, someone questions (questions, not states) whether the industry merely tries to buy power from those who have it in that region, regardless of political affiliation, and the regions just happen to be Republican controlled (i.e. giving habits more controlled by geography than political affiliation), and Jack responds with:

There is no virtue in being wishy-washy and it does not represent "open mindedness" to be so.

Translation: Don't look deeper. Simply take the statistics provided by a random "action" group and come to the conclusion that they intend you to come to. Don't look any deeper than that, and don't question the conclusion.

Sorry Jack, sounds kind of two faced to me. Ah, it's good to be back arguing with Jack again....

 

[cmkrachen]

its good to have someone who takes the time to piece by piece undercut him...i tried but then he just ignores the facts that actually point him to being in the wrong...ie rendell being bought by labor unions for years...and yet that is simply fine

 

[pcray1231]

careful, cm

I'm undercutting his argument, not his person. I saw some of your efforts to oust Jack. Jack and I may disagree on a number of issues, but we do so respectfully, and I'll defend him against attacks on his person.

 

[cmkrachen]

pcray i respect you and your opinion alot, but you've been gone awhile and you have alottttt of catching up to do in alot of threads...

there is a 15 page thread in the other forum dealing with this...

i've done my best to keep it there...there isnt room in this discussion for nancy come lately armchair quarterbacks

 

[JackM]

pcray1231 wrote:
I know I came into this late, and I only got through the first page. But here goes:

JackM defending Rendell for allegations of flip-flopping on severance taxes.

Thank you. I find the severance tax a worthwhile concept, but when you try to put it down on paper, there are a lot of details to be worked out. Tax on exploration, on volume available, or volume drawn, tax dependent upon safety measures in place, tax variable as to sensitive locations, how much tax, tax on who? Rendell has never opposed severance taxes and hasn't "flip-flopped."

Translation: It's more complicated than "I support" or "I oppose". A knowledgable position sounds wishy washy to the uninformed. Propoganda feeds on the uninformed by drawing clear-cut conclusions for you. Look into the details, make your own informed decision, even if it sounds wishy washy to the brainwashed.

All well and good, I agree. But then, someone questions (questions, not states) whether the industry merely tries to buy power from those who have it in that region, regardless of political affiliation, and the regions just happen to be Republican controlled (i.e. giving habits more controlled by geography than political affiliation), and Jack responds with:

There is no virtue in being wishy-washy and it does not represent "open mindedness" to be so.

Translation: Don't look deeper. Simply take the statistics provided by a random "action" group and come to the conclusion that they intend you to come to. Don't look any deeper than that, and don't question the conclusion.

Sorry Jack, sounds kind of two faced to me. Ah, it's good to be back arguing with Jack again....

Hey, a rational reply, but still not on target, I think.

My use of the term wishy-washy was in reference to myself in that the other poster suggested I wasn't open-minded because I didn't see the huge disparity in campaign contributions to state-wide candidates to be explainable by geographic differences of voter registration.

And, I never termed Rendells position as "wishy-washy" but only stated emphatically that he has never opposed a severance tax.

I see nothing two-faced or contradictory here, so you will need to further explain.

Rendell received substantial contributions and is not from Marcellus Shale territory. Neither is Corbett, who dwarfs his take. Could it be that the MS industry expects the Rs to take control of PA's government and are putting their money where it will do the most good? Absolutely. But isn't that the point I was urging-- that is, that the Rs have been bought by the industry-- regardless of why the industry has tried to buy them rather than the Democrats?

 

[franklin]

Rendell fires Powers.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2010/10/pennsylvania_homeland_security.html

 

[JackM]

Looks like the Governor is proceeding to address this matter with careful and deliberate dispatch.

 

[LouM]

Franklin:
According to (fast eddy) Rendell he wasn't fired he resigned!

 

[franklin]

LouM wrote:
Franklin:
According to (fast eddy) Rendell he wasn't fired he resigned!

Wonder if he gets a "golden parachute"?


You missed fly tying.

 

[franklin]

JackM wrote:
Looks like the Governor is proceeding to address this matter with careful and deliberate dispatch.

Of course it was his people that did it.

 

[LouM]

I think the correct term is "CYA"

 

[JackM]

He decries the policy, changes it and removes the administrator who implimented it. Would it have been better if he applauded the policy, renewed the contract for 5 years and gave the administrator a raise?