Big Brother is Watching

I look at it differently. The sum total of MY experiences may not represent reality in the least. I try to remind myself of that when making sweeping indictments of an entire group based upon the small sampling of my own experiences.
 
These folks don't like the fact that we are watching them , and they will get a lil ugly if you let the oppertunity arise , the Redhawk on the hip helps me alot , tends to even the playing field when there are six of them and one of me , i currently watch 4 drill sites at least once a week. We should all pick a few sites and "visit" when we can. keeps the Big Brother somewhat honest.
 
I like my big brothers, but I don't count the MS industry as among them. When you stand up for something you believe in, you want people to notice. So why is anyone worried that they are being noticed? If you aren't on the list, maybe you aren't doing enough.
 
Right on JackM...............Get ON THE LIST!!!!!!!
 
Just in followup to this conversation, but with emphasis on which of the two political parties seem most willing to incur the wrath of the MS industry, please note that today, the PA House Appropriations Committee voted to approve the gas extraction tax, with most Democrats in favor and all Republicans opposed.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10271/1090810-454.stm#ixzz10qLAN9jM
 
JAck, i know for a fact there is a reason for this. The number on the severance is artificially high, so that it wont pass beyond this point. It won't go through and its a political ploy so that dem's can garner favor. gods honest truth from the horses mouth
 
In fact i could tell you alot about this issue, but you wouldnt like to hear what i have to say, so i wont bother.
 
So you are saying that the Rs aren't actually bought and sold by the industry as we all suspected. Just that cmchraken has the real story.
 
im telling you that for certain i have the real story and your version is not correct...
 
JackM wrote:
So you are saying that the Rs aren't actually bought and sold by the industry as we all suspected. Just that cmchraken has the real story.
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It sounded to me like he was saying both sides are bought and paid for by the industry. Dems set it high to insure it won't pass because they eally don't want it either. I'm not saying that is what it is, just that is what it sounded like to me from ...

Read the article that you linked Jack.

I think some kind of tax on this is a good and responsible idea. I'm just not sure about the amount in the bill and how it compares to other states. I'm not a fan of a fixed dollar (or penny) amount tax on natural gas, or even gasoline for that matter, but it is traditionally what was done on gasolene. All industry has to do is raise the price of natural gas to the customers to cover it (and then some). Would rather see the tax as a percentage of the gas prices. For one thing, if natural gas prices go up, and it will, so does the revenue. But I understand why the state would prefer a flat rate. that way they know what they would be getting and it would no fluctuate due to market conditions.

What is proposed in the Bill could be the highest now (no idea). But since it is a flat dollar amount only and some states use a percentage rather than flat rate, PA would no longer be the highest when the gas prices go up, and they will go up. Gas prices are quite low right now. Therefore, I don't really care if is the highest right now (even if I still lived in PA).
 
You forgot to say "trust me." Anyhow, maybe you can explain why the Rs on the Appropriations Committee didn't take advantage of your inside scoop that the legislation won't pass by voting for it. It seems you are implying they have nothing to fear from the special interests that are helping to fund their agenda, yet they still voted lockstep against the measure in Committee.
 
I love how the industry is saying that we are driving them away and that they will take their ball and go some where else to play. This, after telling us we have the largest pockets of MS drillable gas in the country. 100 years worth right? They are going to other states were regulation is "more stable". We should have left it stable at zero tax I guess. Instead of being thankful for the zero severance tax they have paid to date, they are complaining.

At the current drill head rate of $4.22 per MCF, the tax is 9% at $.39 per MCF. Now, I gotta say I want to get that money into the growing greener fund, but 9% maybe a bit much. 1.5% like Arkansas is too low however. I think we should definitely use a % basis versus a fixed price per, as rates fluctuate over the months/years will almost certainly drive natural gas rates higher. I have not read the suggested bill, but are their annual increases or inflation adjustments to the $.39? I mean we are going to look pretty stupid in 20 years when MCF is $28 and we are getting $.39.
 
jdaddy wrote:
I love how the industry is saying that we are driving them away and that they will take their ball and go some where else to play. This, after telling us we have the largest pockets of MS drillable gas in the country. 100 years worth right? They are going to other states were regulation is "more stable". We should have left it stable at zero tax I guess. Instead of being thankful for the zero severance tax they have paid to date, they are complaining.

At the current drill head rate of $4.22 per MCF, the tax is 9% at $.39 per MCF. Now, I gotta say I want to get that money into the growing greener fund, but 9% maybe a bit much. 1.5% like Arkansas is too low however. I think we should definitely use a % basis versus a fixed price per, as rates fluctuate over the months/years will almost certainly drive natural gas rates higher. I have not read the suggested bill, but are their annual increases or inflation adjustments to the $.39? I mean we are going to look pretty stupid in 20 years when MCF is $28 and we are getting $.39.
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I'm guessing it would be similar to the gasoline taxes which are not adjusted without a specific tax hike or cut.

I was thinking around 5 to 6% would be reasonable, but it is a guess.

Didn't realize the prises had risen that much. Last time i checked (late last year) I think it was about 3.50. not that it matters to me. My gas bill averages about $12 and most of that is just the fees for generating a bill.
 
http://www.latimes.com/business/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-us-union-probe,0,2334513.story

must be the last hold out republicans trying to throw mud on the face of a good man...

Trader,

I have often suggested that the dem's are bought and sold on a regular basis.

JAck,
a quick FYI, Ed Rendel is the cause of Homeland security looking in to the meetings...not the R's...it was a 200,000 kickback that he gave to two Agents to look into the meetings... and another FYI...it was completely unneccessary because the state police already do the exact same thing. This is another reason i laugh at you jack because you make a big to do about republicans, but the reason homeland got involved was because fast eddy paid them 200k to check it out. but ughg geeerrreegerrrrr republicans are bad...Take the spoon out of your mouth Jack
 
Once again, you forgot to tell us to "trust you." I guess Governor Rendell will be indicted over this. When can we expect that to occur?
 
Here Jack, I'll probably get yelled at because you're a moderator, and like was discussed in the OT thread that was 20 pages long, you have a propensity to get after people who dont agree with you. But since you're so brilliant and republicans are so bad, here are just a FEW articles highlighting what has come out ie. the dirt on fast EDDY PS for all, Fast eddy is the governor who has served two terms in PA and is on his way out due to term limits....he is a democrat, the party that does no wrong and cannot be bought and sold...cough...

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2010/09/rendells_top_staffers_knew_of.html


http://nomorecensorship.com/tag/gov-ed-rendell/

http://www.queerty.com/pa-gov-ed-rendell-is-sorry-his-peons-were-spying-on-gay-pride-organizers-20100915/

For the record, these were not the sources of my information, im somewhat tapped into harrisburg from time to time and i get nice information...

Jack i wanna say lots of mean things to you right now because your narrow vision is bewildering and your simple ignorance is bliss attitude perturbs me. You will argue around this by demeaning me, which is typical for you. but as i said, you are flat out wrong on this topic.

Although i doubt you will actually read any of those articles, because they further show how absolutely wrong you are...(insert less than nice words here)
 
Once again, you forgot to tell us to "trust you." I guess Governor Rendell will be indicted over this. When can we expect that to occur?

Typical response, completely avoiding acknowledging the fact you were and are dead wrong. in a feeble minded effort to distort the truth and facts...and yes Queerity.com or whatever that website is, is REALLLLYYYY right wing let me tell ya...

JAckrabbit
 
Why is the mainstream media ignoring this.

link
 
Not sure why I waste my time with you. It isn't like you aren't completely transparent. But I'll squander another few minutes of my life replying anyhow.

No one has ever been "got after" for disagreeing with me. A few people have crossed the line on appropriate behavior and they may have done so out of frustration because they could not maintain a rational calm when challenged by me or others who share my views.... trust me.

None of your articles, all of which I read, support your wild accusations of 200K kickbacks or whatever nonsense you were dribbling in your prior post. Each of the articles say the governor did not no the extent of the information gathered against harmless interest groups, each of the articles showed that he promptly condemned the over-reaching, and each of the articles suggested that his administration is trying to get to the bottom of the mess.
 
Cause A. its ohio, and B. he's a democrat...and we know what the mainstream media registers as...
 
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