Susky Pollution

afishinado

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Just as a side to this article, I stopped wet wading the Susky because of the pollution, but often fish for smallies there in my kayak. During my last trip I had to wade in mid shin deep to launch and retrieve my kayak. As soon as I returned home I jumped into my shower and saw a rash from mid shin to my ankles! Yowee, things are really bad in that river and the article below confirms this.

It turned out that Arway saw it our way, but the "powers that be" showed him the highway. How long can this go on?

 
Any body of water can contain microscopic stuff that can enter the body via the smallest cut in one's skin. A friend of mine nearly lost a foot to an infection he picked up in the Juniata. My dad contracted and recovered from Erysipelas (aptly nicknamed Queen Anne's Fire) several years ago, although that bacterium may not have come from water. The mid-Atlantic region is warned every summer about waterborne diseases in brackish water that are potentially fatal to humans and dogs. I hope your condition gets better soon, Afish.
 
Any body of water can contain microscopic stuff that can enter the body via the smallest cut in one's skin. A friend of mine nearly lost a foot to an infection he picked up in the Juniata. My dad contracted and recovered from Erysipelas (aptly nicknamed Queen Anne's Fire) several years ago, although that bacterium may not have come from water. The mid-Atlantic region is warned every summer about waterborne diseases in brackish water that are potentially fatal to humans and dogs. I hope your condition gets better soon, Afish.
Thanks, not a problem, it was a while ago and it cleared up in a couple of days. The point is, the water is really polluted and seems to be getting worse.
 
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I hate waders so much, I think I would give up fishing the Susquehanna and maybe wading in general if I had to go back to wearing waders...

However, not that I discount the information or the source, but doesn't anyone get rashes on their arms or hands from releasing fish, etc??

I don't know about the rest of you, but there probably isn't a day when I don't have a cut or three on my hands...
 
I fish the Susky often in my kayak..generally north of the confluence of the juniata. I did lots of wading last year with no issues but this frightens me…should I not be wet wading above Harrisburg? That seems like a tough thing to resist when those summer smallies are tucked up to the grass islands in a foot or so of water.
 
I couldn’t access the article. Were the samples taken this spring, which has been a wet one, or were they taken over an extended period of time?
 
Organic pollution generally means "bad" bacteria, which means your body's immune system will need to kill off the bacteria to prevent long-term ill effects. Rashes are only one of several symptoms that show your body's immune system is doing its job. As a kid, I swam in Greenwood Furnace, Shawnee State Park, Susquehanna, Lake Erie, Black Moshannon, Laurel Hill, Juniata River, Curwensville, and other places (even that nasty Lake Edinboro), and I and don't recall having anything bad happen to my siblings/friends or me because of it. That's not to say that nothing bad will happen to me if I faceplant into a trout stream, or if I hold a wetted leader in my mouth while digging a fly out of my vest.
 
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I wet my knots with my mouth before tightening them while fishing at city island. Also been in the water/got water in my mouth and so far nothing has happened. Although I should probably be more careful
 
I hate waders so much, I think I would give up fishing the Susquehanna and maybe wading in general if I had to go back to wearing waders...

However, not that I discount the information or the source, but doesn't anyone get rashes on their arms or hands from releasing fish, etc??

I don't know about the rest of you, but there probably isn't a day when I don't have a cut or three on my hands...
Could be possible that your immune system has built itself up to waterborne illness troubles overtime from all the wet wading. Also possible your hands heal quicker than normal from the nicks and cuts. It seems like the guys in the water all the time almost never have problems. The guys that rarely get in water seem to have more trouble.
I’m thinking our fisheries biologists. They must have beat up hands, in water for hours, sometimes all day I’d imagine. I don’t think they are getting sick at a higher than normal rate.
Is it possible they are just better at fending off invaders since they get the most practice at it? Perhaps it’s a small sample size and my own observations are biased.
 
Could be possible that your immune system has built itself up to waterborne illness troubles overtime from all the wet wading. Also possible your hands heal quicker than normal from the nicks and cuts. It seems like the guys in the water all the time almost never have problems. The guys that rarely get in water seem to have more trouble.
I’m thinking our fisheries biologists. They must have beat up hands, in water for hours, sometimes all day I’d imagine. I don’t think they are getting sick at a higher than normal rate.
Is it possible they are just better at fending off invaders since they get the most practice at it? Perhaps it’s a small sample size and my own observations are biased.

It beats me and it isn't the Susquehanna, but there are a LOT of folks that swim in places I fish and I never heard about any problems.

Maybe all the wader wearing has made anglers susceptible??

It think it's called "Simmsunosuppression." 😉
 
If its anything like Alcosan in Pittsburgh. rather than let the treatment plant flood or sustain permanent damage from large rainfall, they will release untreated sewerage along with treated into the rivers. the bad stuff will dilute eventually , partially because they have combined wastewater and storm water outflow to the rivers. When the water is that high there aren't too many peeps who want anything to do with it anyway.
 
What are the main sources of the Susky pollution?
According to the article, it's primarily a sewage treatment issue, or lack thereof, coupled with unrestrained agricultural runoff from pastures and barnyards. Seems it predominantly hits the east side of the river, closest to H'burg.
 
Could be possible that your immune system has built itself up to waterborne illness troubles overtime from all the wet wading. Also possible your hands heal quicker than normal from the nicks and cuts. It seems like the guys in the water all the time almost never have problems. The guys that rarely get in water seem to have more trouble.
I’m thinking our fisheries biologists. They must have beat up hands, in water for hours, sometimes all day I’d imagine. I don’t think they are getting sick at a higher than normal rate.
Is it possible they are just better at fending off invaders since they get the most practice at it? Perhaps it’s a small sample size and my own observations are biased.
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I’m thinking our fisheries biologists. They must have beat up hands, in water for hours, sometimes all day I’d imagine. I don’t think they are getting sick at a higher than normal rate.
Very perceptive! It seems true in my experience. Warmwater and coolwater fish were rough on the hands, with white perch probably being the worst because processing tubs full of hundreds of white perch was like grabbing a pin cushion with the needle points facing outward. Add to that their spiny opercula, just like walleye and yellow perch. Throbbing hands at the end of a trap or gill netting day had so many puncture wounds, mostly superficial, that it wasn’t worth counting.

Striped bass, members of the same family as white perch, were the worst for slash-like cuts and channel cats, although not usually much of a problem, occasionally got us with one of their burning punctures or spine scrapes. All species had their “protective gear” and the most painful and possibly the most threatening for infection, if it were to occur, were crappie and other fish spines going well up under the fingernails or on occasion causing other deeper punctures.

Despite decades of puncture wounds and bleeding cuts of various lengths/depths, aided by water and fish slime softened skin, I only ever got one true infection other than the common, tiny surface pustules, similar to those from an embedded thorn. It was a finger that swelled and required antibiotics. I always immediately squeezed the heck out of any deeper puncture or cut that wasn’t bleeding well to make it bleed more, figuring it would help clean out the wound. But, of course, the hand went right back into the dirty water. Doing a lot of this work in partially treated and raw sewage contaminated water and water receiving substantial amounts of urban, suburban ( think dog and cat feces, etc) and agricultural runoff, I never got a generalized skin infection nor to my knowledge did any of my immediate co-workers.

In my youth I was not the victim of overly protective parents and was allowed/encouraged to be outside ( no encouragement needed), participate in rough and tumble activities, and encounter a full dosage of scrapes, cuts, and dirt, which probably boosted my immune system. Plus it seemed that I was always getting stabbed or cut by small channel cats when fishing for larger ones in the Susquehanna.
 
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What are the main sources of the Susky pollution?
From the article:

In 2015, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection sued the water utility company for violating federal standards and releasing millions of gallons of untreated sewage into the Susquehanna River.

“You have failing septic tanks, you have other failing wastewater treatment plants in the area,” Evgeniadis said. “You have manure runoff, you have cattle and livestock that are in the creek that are just stomping around, defecating into the creek. And poor manure management by farmers, and then obviously whatever concoction you have within a stormwater mix, especially when it rains and we get runoff from farm fields.

“It’s a lot of different variables and a lot of different sources of pollution.”

His organization has for years tried to compel entities that discharge waste into the Susquehanna to come into compliance with state standards. That, he said, has been a herculean task, with little progress made.

As a result of the lawsuit, Capital Region Water was ordered to produce a long-term control plan that specifically addresses the elimination of combined sewer overflows. “They have yet to show and prove that they’re capable of putting a plan together that’s meaningful and that’s actually going to come into compliance,” Evgeniadis said.
 
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