Steelhead in the Delaware River?

The steel that was stocked in the Lehigh I think were a little of a hybrid of a hybrid steel. Also, the Cantaloop-Sp?version is stocked every now and then but they do not reproduce. Think the steelhead was stopped because the hatchery received a little scolding from PFBC. They are still working on a genetically modified steel as we speak. Don't know what for but they are working on something.

Syght----I have No F'n Idea, sorry
 
Alpabuck wrote:
Ryan......that is pretty interesting! For once I'm not trying to sound like a jerk but what happened to all the steel they stocked?

I'm not sure, certainly on some stringers for sure but they also stopped the program so they weren't replenished ( I think with programs like these it needs a multi-year commitment. IMO a minimum of 5 years.) I think Becker's right about the PFBC stepping in. But they were definitely in there for at least a season and catches were indeed reported. It's not like they had a large estuary to spend the summers and this was before there was the relationship with the ACOE that there is today (not saying that relationship is now spectacularly great but it is a much-improved from back then.)

Becker-yes, I think one the rfercnes for them is 98 percenters, a hybrid type created in hatchery systems. Also you're thinking of Kamloops rainbow trout. (I can't recall exactly but the 98% may have been created with the use of Kamloops 'bows.) I don't think its that the Kamloops can't reproduce but rather the conditions found in the Lehigh are thought to be non-conducive to reproductive success for Kamloops.
 
Ryan- not sure what they are working on now, I can not fully remember the convo. with the kid (Ted's son). I just kinda remember him saying they are in the process of becoming mad scientists. Mixed with the Western rainbow maybe? Dunno.
 
Actually, I think the kamloops are sterile. or maybe just the ones from Birch creek are.
 
LRSABecker wrote:
"they are in the process of becoming mad scientists."

Oh, that's reassuring.

Seriously, if people are actually trying to breed their own hybrids for release, they should be legally restrained and punished, regardless of how sweet their intentions.

And this is from someone who tolerates and accepts stocking over wild in some circumstances, and encourages stocking in many others.

Heck, I'd think it'd be pretty sweet to have a steelhead run in the D or the L, mostly so I don't have to pretend the drive is why I've never bothered to go steelheading yet.
 
LRSABecker wrote:
Actually, I think the kamloops are sterile. or maybe just the ones from Birch creek are.

All rainbow subspecies or strains are originally Western (Pacfic drainage, west of the continental divide.) I'm pretty sure Kamloops are one strain originally found in certain habitats but I think they can reproduce. I think any sterility is created in a hatchery environment (like at Birch) or from non-conducive habitats for reproductive success.

There are several strains of rainbows, even the upper D rainbows have been found to be genetically unique. A primary reason for protecting them against stocked rainbows, steelies are rainbows there has been no genetic differences found. "Unique" rainbow strains include: McCloud Rainbows, Redbands, etc. (I believe the Upper D 'bows are descendants of a small # of McCloud River Rainbows that were released after a train breakdown along the river. They have been isolated from all other rainbows for so long, including other McClouds, that they became genetically unique.)
 
Becker, I think you were sold a bill of goods. It happens.

Kamloops trout is one of the most misused terms when it comes to trout. They are not sterile, and they are not even a separate species.

Don't believe me? Google it.

The differences were indeed caused by environmental reasons as stated by others.

check out these three links.

link 1

link 2

link 3

even the people of BC acknowledge there is no diffeernce and it is environmental, so if you want to catch a Kamloops Trout, you need to go to Kamloops.

If you payed extra for your Kamloops, you were taken.
 
To my knowledge there is only one species of rainbow trout, including steelhead (Onchorynchus mykiss, formerly Salmo gairdneri.) Including the term subspecies was a mistake on my part, I don't know that the various types have been classifed as subspecies. There does appear to be different strains that are recognized as having unique characteristics each seperating them in some way from other rainbows. I do remember reading the feedback and studies that came back noting what you're stating.
 
Gfen- it was in a joking manner

Farmer-No extra for kamloops, we do not even ask for them they just get into the truck accidentally once in awhile. Teddy Miller (god rest his soul) was the owner of Birch Creek Fish Hatchery, he was also the founder of LRSA. What he put into the river from his hatchery before I came around is still a mystery to me and all the info I receive is just hearsay from old timers. Thankfully his wife is still involved with the club and keeps the prices per pound really low compared to other hatchery's, which allows us to keep his dream going. Can't beat receiving 10lb trout for free at times.
 
Also, the Cantaloop-Sp?version is stocked every now and then but they do not reproduce.

Maybe they weren't ripe yet?

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Stocking steelhead in the Delaware is a lame brain idea and a waste of money...
 
albud1962 wrote:
Stocking is a lame brain idea and a waste of money...

I agree......Alb I your a smart man!
 
Steelhead would be great in the delaware river but i would really be happy if they would reintroduce salmon in the river like they did in the 1800 there use to be alot of samon in the river untill they became over fished and there was no control on catching them going all the way to New York State to go samon fishing just to much for me anymore . It would bring new jobs in the state of new jersey and P.A. Millions of millions of cash flow in the states. wish there was some way we could reintroduce them back in the Delaware
 
Delaware stocked steelheads for eons but none returned.
 
Dam's have been around the lehigh valley way before the sixties..they started back in the 1800's....
 
From Wikipedia
The Lehigh Canal, designed by Canvass White, an engineer of New York's Erie Canal, was constructed between 1827 and 1829. The enlarged Lehigh Navigation extended 46 miles (74 km) between Mauch Chunk, Pennsylvania (present-day Jim Thorpe) and Easton with 52 locks, eight guard locks, eight dams and six aqueducts, allowing the waterway to overcome a difference in elevation of over 350 feet (107 m). A weigh lock determined canal boat fees a half mile (1 km) south of Mauch Chunk. A connection across the Delaware River to the Morris Canal through New Jersey allowed the coal from the Lehigh Canal to be shipped more directly to New York City.

During the 1830s, an extension of 26 miles (42 km) to White Haven, Pennsylvania, which included 20 dams and 29 locks, was constructed, covering a difference in elevation of over 600 feet (183 m) to Mauch Chunk.

In 1855, the canal reached its peak of more than one million tons of cargo. However, competition from railroads and the catastrophic flood of June 4, 1862, were all steps towards the canal's demise. The canal was used as a means of transportation until the 1940s (about a decade after other similar canals ceased operations), making it the last fully functioning towpath canal in North America. In 1962, most of it was sold to private and public organizations for recreational use.
I know of only one dam on the Delaware aside from the 3 wing dams, an old wooden structure, that I believe still exists at Lackawaxen PA just south of the Confluence of the Lackawaxen R. before the Roebling Viaduct. I found it when wading that section of the river when fishing. That doesn't mean there were more dams, but the books about the Delaware don't talk about them.
The Dam at Lackawaxen was contriversial in it's day because loggers were already running log rafts from the Upper Delaware River by the early 1800's, and didn't want to deal with going over the dam. The dam was eventually removed in favor of the viaduct. The dam was built for crossing canal boats across the Delaware
 
The introduction of Atlantic Salmon would be ideal if the proper environmental conditions existed in the Delaware, but they don't.
There was a very influencial group that tried for many years to get rougher pacific salmon like cohos introduced to the Delaware, however the EPA blocked them. Sorry I can't recall the name of the organization, bit they tried long and hard to establish a legal stocking program and the introduction of pacific salmon in the Delaware with no success. With the current regulations protecting native species we have we would never have created the salmon, steelhead, and brown trout fisheries that currectly exist in the great lakes. Would never happen and you can decide if that is a good or bad thing. The other main problem with developing native and non native runs of sea-run trout & Salmon on the east coast is that many of them get caught in the nets of salwater commercial fisherman in the bays and the estuaries in the spring and the fall. I know a good number of commercial fisherman that catch and quietly sell sea-run brown and rainbow trout to private buyers like resturants without ever reporting them because they do not want the state and federal agencies to know about them. Whether they have the genes or not lots of sea run rainbows and browns show up in the nets of the saltwater commercial fishers every year. Especially shad and striper netters in the Delaware and the pound and gill nets in Virginia and Maryland. The trout are trying to establish their own sea-run populations, however dams, enviromental challenges, and commercial fishing are significant barriers to their success.
 
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