Spot Burning...Gim me a break

spot burning is kinda like the guy standing next to ya on the stream that says "hey pal what are ya hitin em on " then to be polite and unselfish you say " size 18 bwo parachute " so the guy tucks his rod under his arm pit and opens his box and ties on a size 18 bwo parachute , does he start whackin em ? the answer is .....NO , you can tell people where to fish and what to use and alot of guys still can;t catch em , alot of us have nymphed or dry fly fished a section of stream after someone else ... is it ruined ? no , is it ideal ? ...no , does it matter ? ....no !!! if your fishing a wild trout stream and someone is there fishing " in your spot " , go get a bite to eat for an hr and come back , those brookies will hit again in an hr !
 
TS,

It's simply about increasing traffic on streams that don't have it, but would with increased awareness of the location. There's just no need to advertise these things, IMO. They are there to be found already, and are overall less enjoyable when there are more people fishing them.

IMO, advertising a spot can "ruin" it, just because it'll be less enjoyable to fish... unless you don't mind crowds. Many of us do, and feel that there should still be a few places that we can go with reasonable confidence that we won't encounter anyone.

For me, it's usually small brown trout streams that are easily spooked, and just don't have much room as it is. Two's a crowd in many of these places, and given the populations of anglers in this area, it's just a risk that they'll become crowded to the extent that you'd be spending a lot of time getting bites to eat. and not much time fishing. I only get a few hours to fish after work here and there, and going to another spot is rarely an option.

Basically, if these spots were to become more popular (and this site is a place where many anglers go to find wild trout streams), those of us that currently fish them would have to give up on those after work outings (there just aren't many options in the area), or learn to fish in a crowd. Frankly, I'd take up going to the driving range. There are a few spots here that have been sacrificed to publicity, and many anglers are perfectly happy with them. They'd naturally spread out if they were told of other locations. Those of us that enjoy getting away from the crowds will now risk losing our chance to fish in solitude, or at least will run a higher risk of going out for a few extra bites to eat, as you suggested.

And it's not about being greedy, really. It's about being conservative with advertising streams on the web. Many people of my opinion think it's tasteless and garish to post details of these "under the radar" streams for the sake of satisfying some need to "out" streams.

I'm not a big fan of golf, so I choose to try to keep things less crowded.
 
cmkrachen wrote:
Wildtrout,

I dont THINK ANYONE is advocating Erasing the stream reports...I think the point, (you'd know this if you actually read the posts instead of jumping to conclusions) is the manner in which the reports are carried out, and whether or not it is ethical or gentlemanly or whatever word you wish to use, to name streams that are "under the radar" the debate can rage about what an under the radar stream is as well...but the point being, noone myself who is louder than many, included, is advocating for removing the streamreports section...the main point is using discretion when posting names of particular streams...

so dont go insulting JayL when he has devoted some thoughtful points, when you've just come in to the thread chucking mud without even reading anything first...btw im assuming this because two posts in a row you mention "noone is going to remove the stream reports section" (im paraphrasing in that quote) and not one post in the entire thread advocates eliminating stream reports nor the stream report section...again read some posts before throwing mud, or the egg will inevitably be on YOUR face...
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First of all krachen, I never said (if you actually read my posts) anyone suggested eliminating stream reports in this thread. I mentioned that because that idea has been raised in other threads on this same exact subject. Having folks word their stream reports in a certain manner (to your liking) isn't going to happen either.

As far as "assuming" I didn't read the posts, I need to tell you only fools assume. And as far as the "mud throwing" goes, is that like calling someone senile? Yea, I hate egg in the face. Don't you? 😛
 
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I recently fished the LL during the Sulphur hatch, there were about five guys there during the evening and no one else there even in the stocked section. This is a wild trout stream in an urban area and there were still no fishermen there during prime time.
No other stream gets the traffic the LL does, not even Spring Creek. Speaking of spring creek, of the couple of dozen times I've fished there, crowding has not been a problem and this stream is spot burned by everyone.
 
Chaz, I am not sure if you are making a point, but from what you say, it suggests there may actually be an equillibrium of angler distribution among streams and that a noticeable dearth or plethora of anglers on a water at a given time is often just the result of the random occurence resulting from the availability of several choices in fishing destination among the finite number of anglers. If that seems logical, how does the "burning" of a relatively unknown water effect the equillibrium and is that a good or bad thing? I think this is the one point of the "spread the pressure" argument that really deserves to be thought out carefully by folks on each side of the issue.
 
"These stream reports are NOT going anywhere. People need to understand this"

From Wild trout's first post...^^

From his third - "I'll say it again (please listen/hear),these stream reports are NOT going away"

If noone said anything about streamreports being eliminated why would you assume in THIS thread any one was advocating it...dd dhhhddh dddheeeeee??? special people are special! WT you forgot your helmet!!

DDddDdDDUHHHH arguing with idiots is like swimming up niagra falls with your arms tied...

I enjoy a back and forth banter with Jack because i find him very intelligent, and sometimes its fun to test people a little so you know what you're dealing with, like a friendly slap on the forehead once in awhile...

WT you being dropped as a child was not a friendly slap, that was just an accident...its okay though...you'll be alright...
 
Sal, again you prove your intelligence with your smile...hehe i bet you're giggling you neat little guy!!! heheheeee (wow)
 
FarmerDAve....I LOVE that photo...well played...

Jack...good point....again....darnit...

who ever said, go have a meal the brookies will hit again in an hour, i respectfully disagree...btw what if that is your only hour to fish??
 
"I mentioned that because that idea has been raised in other threads on this same exact subject"

so YOU ASSume that someone is going to raise it here and launch a preemptive strike to thwart that suggestion??
 
No disrespect meant chaz, but in my opinion it stops being spot burning somewhere less than the 2 dozenth time I hear about a particular stream.

Now, if I hear about a creek for the first time... lets call it Chaz's Creek ... and if I were shallow enough just go go there because i read about it on the internet, ... that would qualify as spot burning to me. Not hearing for the umpteenth time about Spring or LL or LJ or Penns, or Yellow Britches, or ...;-)
 
cmkrachen wrote:
FarmerDAve....I LOVE that photo...well played...
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The older guys (to the site) would disagree. Lets just say this wasn't the first time I used it.;-)
 
Dave, better point than JAck and CHaz....I personally have gone to places to check them out when i see glowing posts, the best ones are "hooked a huge or saw a huge.... but missed lost spooked whatever" then i go catch it...thats always fun, fortunately i release everything i catch, unless im feeding fallfish to eagles, then i toss them on the stones for the birds...
 
I was laughing at how long this thread has gone.

Now im laughing at how much you are making yourself look childish.
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I told a few people at work about how the bathroom gets cleaned at 11. Many people are at lunch, so you can crap in peace, on a virgin toilet seat. Nobody hates it when someone else comes in and stinks the place up more than I do, and it gets nasty after a few hours.

Yesterday, I went in for my 11:00 AM constitutional. Guess what?

And that's a true story.
 
^hahahaha
 
I can't see how this topic gets so played out. What a cluster f**K.

Everyone gets so bent out of shape over spot burning. Look at the stream reports lately, Tully tully tully tully, who in the hell wants to go there except for locals. I've never been there, and I probably never will. Too far of a drive to be standing next to someone fishing. I mean, it is probably a nice stream but after reading so many damn reports on the Tully, every day right there at the top of the reports sections that's like a big turn off to me. It is posted about so much I feel like I have fished it already, next stream please.

Honestly, for the most part I think most of the people on here are not spot burning, and most of the streams posted about are well known, and well traveled.

A lot of the streams I have fished I read about in the Dave Wolf book. And I don't believe he was spot burning either. A lot of those streams I already knew about, and he gives very useful information giving you general info about the stream but not too detailed. Actually he does out a stream and hints at it's being under the radar, I've been to the stream fished it and can say his writing about it had little affect on the stream as it is still a sleeper.

There dozens and dozens of smaller streams that I have fished that aren't in a book and I've never seen posted about on here. Find one on a map and fish it. I spent years doing that before I had kids.

The biggest spot burning I see is by the PFBC when they give a time and date as to when and where the stocking truck is going to be and if you fish one of those streams where the truck stops, I'm sorry but that whole stream is spot burnt and probably has been for decades.

On smaller streams I just don't post them or if I do I don't name them and most people are cool with that except maybe Jack if you put it in the Reports rather than the streams locations or general forum, only because he wants a formal Name-Date-and County badge.
 
Jay, i've had the same problem here!! True story. The basement sanctuary is no longer...🙁

That is the way it is. People need to understand. Give up the fact that you feel you need to gain your internet credibility...
 
JakesLeakyWaders wrote:
On smaller streams I just don't post them or if I do I don't name them and most people are cool with that except maybe Jack if you put it in the Reports rather than the streams locations or general forum, only because he wants a formal Name-Date-and County badge.
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And that's what we're talking about. Who cares about stocked or special regs streams? The issue is posting about relatively unpressured small to medium sized wild trout streams and the fact they'd gain traffic. This site promotes wild trout to an incredible extent. Within a few weeks here, most new posters that didn't know much about wild trout are looking for places to find them. That's good, and I often help them out via PM. Why broadcast it to the dozens of people that are looking for the same thing, but too timid to ask (as well as hundreds of other lurkers).

Would you be happy if your wild rainbow stream became a topic of conversation on this board? I know I'd go fish it. Wild rainbows are a rare treat. Just like wild trout streams in SE PA.
 
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