Spot Burning...Gim me a break
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iceyguides
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wow this topic never dies. the constant bickering and personal attacks have really turned me off internet fly fishing forums in general. I came to this forum from another forum, because it seemed more mellow, only to find the same bs. I no longer post fishing reports just to avoid controversy and judgement from people who think posting a stream report makes you a braggart and a villain. I always thought the purpose of these forums was to share experiences(stream reports) with fellow fly fisherman and exchange useful information. I know i personally enjoy hearing other's stories and checking out pictures, however all the argueing has sullied that experience for me. there's hardly anything useful or enjoyable about all of this for me anymore and as a result i probably won't post or check out the forum much more.
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Those fish died because the guy fished when the water was warm. You can't honestly believe that anyone who reads his post will automatically be struck dumb and forget that warm water kills fish.
I see a lot of your points Rich, but consider this, if you will: I've been fishing for over 30 years and never heard of Meck until a couple years ago. There are a lot of fisherman out there who never bother to read on the subject. A lot of guys never think to read about it until they are a bit older, and by then some of them know better than to handle fish poorly.
I personally don't post reports on streams, but I can't begrudge anyone who does, nor do I think a single stream has been ruined by books or reports. I do believe that in the short term glowing reports will send people to a stream, but soon the easy pickin's will be gone and someone will post a report saying it sucked and people will stop going there. I just always hope that the good report isn't posted the day before I go there. :-D
Boyer
icey,
No doubt, the posting of stream locations is a hot button on this and many forums. Why not just disregard threads on that subject altogether.
I read nearly every thread in the open forums (forgetabout the OT!), and if you look right now, there are one or two active threads about "spot burning", but there are 100 or so active threads with info for beginners, conservation issues, guys helping with gear questions and tips, fly tying info, member get-togethers being planned ...I could go on.
When the subject rears it's ugly head click the mouse to the next thread. All the points made in the arguments never change, so what's the point in reading it anyway....lol
We're glad to have you here. I hope you stay on board.
Good fishing.
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Icey,
If you honestly need locations to be named for this forum to be of any use... well, you're either the best or the worst fly fisherman in the world.
There are tons of useful conversations here. And honestly, this arguing is completely benign. Most of it is between people that are "irl" friends, and there are almost certainly no hard feelings. Don't be so sensitive.
If you honestly need locations to be named for this forum to be of any use... well, you're either the best or the worst fly fisherman in the world.
There are tons of useful conversations here. And honestly, this arguing is completely benign. Most of it is between people that are "irl" friends, and there are almost certainly no hard feelings. Don't be so sensitive.
Acristickid
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The first rule of fight club is never to talk about fight club.
troutslammer
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the more u trout fish the more u realize that there are no "secret" spots , lets not all be so naive to think we know a spot that nobody else or only a couple people know about ! keep this in mind - if you go to a stream and fish and see not another single soul the whole time you are there , this doesn't mean you are the only one who knows about it , some people enjoy telling others of their expieriences on the stream and choose to include what streams they fished and others do not !
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There are still some streams that are not well known and therefore see very little traffic and there are even some very productive sections on some very well known and popular streams that receive little fishing pressure. Publicizing these will attract attention and it will result in additional foot traffic. I’m not taking sides just stating what I know from firsthand experience witnessing this phenomenon.
I fish a particular stream probably 60-70 times per year, year round, and 95% of the time I hardly ever see anyone else there. I’ve been doing this the past 3 years so I’ve got a pretty good feel for what happens on this particular stream. It is a hardly unknown stream but situated where other more popular streams are located and attract attention and it is a stream that does not surrender trout easily. Every few months a report will get posted on this forum and if it is a glowing report, I’ll bet you a vintage Payne boo rod that there will be at least 10 fishermen on both Saturday and Sunday of the week the report was posted and it will be a steady parade of fishermen all day. Do they wreck the stream? No, many have zero success never even spotting a trout and therefore never come back. Does it wreck the fishing for me on those days? Absolutely because the stream can sometimes get overrun with fishermen. Do I fault the person who wrote the report? No…but I wish they wouldn’t have for selfish reasons. As an example, last year on a pleasant Saturday morning after a glowing report was posted there were easily 50 fishermen that showed up to fish the stream. And most of the traffic that hits this stream ISN’T from PA but rather from out of state. They arrive in caravans with 3-4 fishermen per car and 2-3 cars per group. Generally they show up, run around spooking everything in the stream and then leave after 2 hours complaining the stream has no fish.
I don’t knock anyone who makes a post about a stream but just remember, if you have a spot you cherish, attracting attention to it will only ruin you experience.
Lastly, some will argue that it will take pressure off other streams and that is true because the fact is there are a finite number of fishermen spread out over a finite number of streams. I think the concern isn’t about short term traffic but rather you may have a stream that is productive but relatively unknown or not fished and is “home stream” to very few. Then a report gets posted glorifying the stream and while I seriously doubt 10000 fishermen will descend on the stream, more than likely 5-10 who otherwise might not have ever gone will and it is very possible that 1 – 3 may then start calling that stream their home stream.
I fish a particular stream probably 60-70 times per year, year round, and 95% of the time I hardly ever see anyone else there. I’ve been doing this the past 3 years so I’ve got a pretty good feel for what happens on this particular stream. It is a hardly unknown stream but situated where other more popular streams are located and attract attention and it is a stream that does not surrender trout easily. Every few months a report will get posted on this forum and if it is a glowing report, I’ll bet you a vintage Payne boo rod that there will be at least 10 fishermen on both Saturday and Sunday of the week the report was posted and it will be a steady parade of fishermen all day. Do they wreck the stream? No, many have zero success never even spotting a trout and therefore never come back. Does it wreck the fishing for me on those days? Absolutely because the stream can sometimes get overrun with fishermen. Do I fault the person who wrote the report? No…but I wish they wouldn’t have for selfish reasons. As an example, last year on a pleasant Saturday morning after a glowing report was posted there were easily 50 fishermen that showed up to fish the stream. And most of the traffic that hits this stream ISN’T from PA but rather from out of state. They arrive in caravans with 3-4 fishermen per car and 2-3 cars per group. Generally they show up, run around spooking everything in the stream and then leave after 2 hours complaining the stream has no fish.
I don’t knock anyone who makes a post about a stream but just remember, if you have a spot you cherish, attracting attention to it will only ruin you experience.
Lastly, some will argue that it will take pressure off other streams and that is true because the fact is there are a finite number of fishermen spread out over a finite number of streams. I think the concern isn’t about short term traffic but rather you may have a stream that is productive but relatively unknown or not fished and is “home stream” to very few. Then a report gets posted glorifying the stream and while I seriously doubt 10000 fishermen will descend on the stream, more than likely 5-10 who otherwise might not have ever gone will and it is very possible that 1 – 3 may then start calling that stream their home stream.
wildtrout2
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I just wish folks would put the energy into constructive/informative threads that they do into these useless threads! These stream reports are NOT going anywhere. People need to understand this. The mods have made it very clear.
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I find these debates to be a significant part of FF culture, therefore worthy.
It's not like there aren't hundreds of ongoing threads that you'd find more informative. Just don't click. It's no skin off your back if people choose to participate in these discussions, and it doesn't take away from threads that you have deemed more worthy.
It's not like there aren't hundreds of ongoing threads that you'd find more informative. Just don't click. It's no skin off your back if people choose to participate in these discussions, and it doesn't take away from threads that you have deemed more worthy.
wildtrout2
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Jay, it's waaay past the debate stage. In fact, it's so far past that stage that folks are asking for it to stop. Does that suggest anything to you? There's roughly 5 similar threads on this subject. What future is there in "debating" something that you're not going to change?
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It's enjoyable. You never fail to try to pull the brake switch on any thread where people have lengthy disagreements, so I know you're a closet junkie. You're reading them all! You wouldn't miss a post. You get it! :-D
The people asking for it to stop can go without reading it. It's not harming anything.
I agree that all of the threads should be merged, but you have no real reason to want it to stop within that thread.
I'm going to start the debate with my friends the next time we fish. Try to hold back the tears. 🙂
The people asking for it to stop can go without reading it. It's not harming anything.
I agree that all of the threads should be merged, but you have no real reason to want it to stop within that thread.
I'm going to start the debate with my friends the next time we fish. Try to hold back the tears. 🙂
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Afishinado wrote:
"When the subject rears it's ugly head click the mouse to the next thread. All the points made in the arguments never change, so what's the point in reading it anyway....lol"
Good point,
I skip right to the last page and read that first, that's where all the good stuff is. By page 5 or 6 the insults start getting really insulting in most threads and the arguments get personal. I find myself bewildered at such comments and thinking, wait a minute here, I have start from the beginning just to see how it got this bad. I figure if the thread has more than 2 or 3 pages it is either a really good thread or a very controversial one.
Juicy !!!! lol
"When the subject rears it's ugly head click the mouse to the next thread. All the points made in the arguments never change, so what's the point in reading it anyway....lol"
Good point,
I skip right to the last page and read that first, that's where all the good stuff is. By page 5 or 6 the insults start getting really insulting in most threads and the arguments get personal. I find myself bewildered at such comments and thinking, wait a minute here, I have start from the beginning just to see how it got this bad. I figure if the thread has more than 2 or 3 pages it is either a really good thread or a very controversial one.
Juicy !!!! lol
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I actually find these threads intellectual stimulating, helpful in developing my thinking on the topic at hand and as pleasant and comfortable a waste of time as would be a thread debating whether the light cahill covers more than one species of mayfly, whether fish instinctively know how to eat or any other number of topics that are consider germane to the board's purpose. Usually, though, when the existence of the thread itself becomes the topic of converation, the end is near.
wildtrout2
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Jay, this simply tells me you're easily amused, and know nothing about me. I'll say it again (please listen/hear), these stream reports are NOT going away. You "enjoy" going back and forth on this subject knowing nothing is going to change? I'll try to pull the brake on crap that takes up waaay too much precious time/space on this forum. Crap that most folks are sick of seeing/hearing.
Honestly Jay, you just like to argue. You have said this openly on this forum. Most people don't find argueing very enjoyable. Have you ever considered a girlfriend? :-D
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She likes to argue too.
Again, it's just one thread. Just don't read it. Anyone that's sick of it can stop too. Those of us that wish to discuss this stuff (and there appear to be quite a few) are not going to stop to appease you. In fact, you're such a spaz about what others choose to argue, that I get joy from knowing that each day it stays on the front page, your blood pressure inches upward. You have absolutely no valid reason to be bothered by it, other than to serve your crotchety demeanor.
I'll never understand why you care what gets discussed on here. You are under no obligation to read the stuff you don't like. Just do what afish does and ignore it. It does nothing to diminish the value of other threads. Nothing. Just as you're free to complain in each and every one of them.
Easily amused? Probably. I consider that a good thing. It's better than being easily annoyed, eh? Try it. If it'll help you cope, I'll even spot burn a few wild trout streams around here for ya. It's tough to go as far as you seem to just to fish. Just ask, and I'll show. 🙂
Again, it's just one thread. Just don't read it. Anyone that's sick of it can stop too. Those of us that wish to discuss this stuff (and there appear to be quite a few) are not going to stop to appease you. In fact, you're such a spaz about what others choose to argue, that I get joy from knowing that each day it stays on the front page, your blood pressure inches upward. You have absolutely no valid reason to be bothered by it, other than to serve your crotchety demeanor.
I'll never understand why you care what gets discussed on here. You are under no obligation to read the stuff you don't like. Just do what afish does and ignore it. It does nothing to diminish the value of other threads. Nothing. Just as you're free to complain in each and every one of them.
Easily amused? Probably. I consider that a good thing. It's better than being easily annoyed, eh? Try it. If it'll help you cope, I'll even spot burn a few wild trout streams around here for ya. It's tough to go as far as you seem to just to fish. Just ask, and I'll show. 🙂
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Wildtrout,
I dont THINK ANYONE is advocating Erasing the stream reports...I think the point, (you'd know this if you actually read the posts instead of jumping to conclusions) is the manner in which the reports are carried out, and whether or not it is ethical or gentlemanly or whatever word you wish to use, to name streams that are "under the radar" the debate can rage about what an under the radar stream is as well...but the point being, noone myself who is louder than many, included, is advocating for removing the streamreports section...the main point is using discretion when posting names of particular streams...
so dont go insulting JayL when he has devoted some thoughtful points, when you've just come in to the thread chucking mud without even reading anything first...btw im assuming this because two posts in a row you mention "noone is going to remove the stream reports section" (im paraphrasing in that quote) and not one post in the entire thread advocates eliminating stream reports nor the stream report section...again read some posts before throwing mud, or the egg will inevitably be on YOUR face...
I dont THINK ANYONE is advocating Erasing the stream reports...I think the point, (you'd know this if you actually read the posts instead of jumping to conclusions) is the manner in which the reports are carried out, and whether or not it is ethical or gentlemanly or whatever word you wish to use, to name streams that are "under the radar" the debate can rage about what an under the radar stream is as well...but the point being, noone myself who is louder than many, included, is advocating for removing the streamreports section...the main point is using discretion when posting names of particular streams...
so dont go insulting JayL when he has devoted some thoughtful points, when you've just come in to the thread chucking mud without even reading anything first...btw im assuming this because two posts in a row you mention "noone is going to remove the stream reports section" (im paraphrasing in that quote) and not one post in the entire thread advocates eliminating stream reports nor the stream report section...again read some posts before throwing mud, or the egg will inevitably be on YOUR face...
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Jack(old man)
i agree with your above post, it does without question, stimulate some though, if you can read through the fun and games, there are points made on both sides, which is why the debate, discussion, argument, dialogue, whatever you will normally lasts a few pages.
I have no problem with it. Some of us can only talk about flies and hatches so long, and when a beginner asks a question there is nothing more annoying than seeing 7 posts in a row say the same simple thing as if everyone is jumping at the chance to show they are super anglers, or merely getting their post counts up....
So annoying when someone asks what kind of trout are in PA and 30 people say brown rainbow brook and lake....like you couldnt get the answer from the first 3 posters...
sorry im getting off point...
i agree with your above post, it does without question, stimulate some though, if you can read through the fun and games, there are points made on both sides, which is why the debate, discussion, argument, dialogue, whatever you will normally lasts a few pages.
I have no problem with it. Some of us can only talk about flies and hatches so long, and when a beginner asks a question there is nothing more annoying than seeing 7 posts in a row say the same simple thing as if everyone is jumping at the chance to show they are super anglers, or merely getting their post counts up....
So annoying when someone asks what kind of trout are in PA and 30 people say brown rainbow brook and lake....like you couldnt get the answer from the first 3 posters...
sorry im getting off point...
