Need Rod Suggestions

CaptainHook

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I realized last week while fishing a small stream with lots of trees overhead that I could use a smaller rod. I was using a 9 ft. 5 wt.

I think I'd like a 7.5 in a 4 wt. Does that sound like a good size?

If so, I'd appreciate suggestions on brands/models. I don't mind spending up to a few hundred on it. I'll also need a reel although a have a few now and might be able to match it up. But, reel suggestions are also appreciate. Thanks!
 
CaptainHook wrote:
I realized last week while fishing a small stream with lots of trees overhead that I could use a smaller rod. I was using a 9 ft. 5 wt.

I think I'd like a 7.5 in a 4 wt. Does that sound like a good size?

Yes. That is the most versatile rod to use for small stream fishing, IMHO.

With the 9 ft 5 wt, and a 7 1/2 ft 4 wt, you'll be set up to fish any trout stream in PA.

Regarding models, you really have to go cast the rods. Because different people have different casting styles.

Rods range in action from slow (bendy) to medium to fast (stiff).

Probably somewhere in the medium action range will be best.
 
A 476 is a good choice. The action choice is personal preference, though being a new caster I'd recommend a medium fast rod.

I personally prefer Sage rods, but I recommend (like was said) casting as many as you can get your hands on.
 
BrookieChaser wrote:
A 476 is a good choice. The action choice is personal preference, though being a new caster I'd recommend a medium fast rod.

I personally prefer Sage rods, but I recommend (like was said) casting as many as you can get your hands on.

Thank you for the suggestions. I need to find a store where I can get try some rods. I'm guessing that a private fly shop might have more selection than a big box store or is that a bad assumption? I need to find a favorite, go-to, shop.
 
There is a TCO in Reading. The folks at TCO in State College have always treated me well, and the folks at Reading seemed the same way the one time I was there.

What I've found is a beginner will benefit from the knowledge at a private fly shop. Plus box stores don't seem to have the inventory, or variety of price points in rods. Box stores will have typical "trout rods" (590-4). They probably won't have a 476-4, if they do, they'll have one in a low price point. It's smart business to stock what sells.
 
Thank you Brookie and Troutbert for the suggestions.
 
CH - Head to the Classic Fly Fisherman store in Lansdale and you can look at and cast as many rods as you want, he has a great selection.
http://www.classicflyfisherman.com/
Chief
 
No problem, CH. Hopefully the advice is of some use.
 
The people on this forum are all very helpful. I'm ready to offer to sponsor more Newbie Jams. If I can hep with one this coming spring (I assume) let me know. I'll post that in the events folder although it is probably too early.

Lansdale is close to me so I will drop by there first.
 
I use and Orvis Clearwater 7.6 3 Wt quite a lot.
 
Chief wrote:
CH - Head to the Classic Fly Fisherman store in Lansdale and you can look at and cast as many rods as you want, he has a great selection.
http://www.classicflyfisherman.com/
Chief

Call before going to lansdale. I drove an hour there only to see his hours as "by appointment or chance." Never been back.
 
All you need to do is call ahead. Bob will stay around for you if he can.
 
Captainhook, two suggestions for you. Cast the rod how you'll be fishing it, and don't be afraid to overline a small stream rod.
 
SteveG wrote:
Captainhook, two suggestions for you. Cast the rod how you'll be fishing it, and don't be afraid to overline a small stream rod.

I hear you on that suggestion. I bought a 3wt Orvis Clearwater rod back in April and I promptly put a 3 wt line on it. I should have used a 4wt. It would have been much friendlier casting.

My plan is to get some casting instruction which should also help.
 
I like my 7' 4 wt clearwater. Perfect for those little streams and if you hook into something bigger it has more than enough backbone.
 
If you're going to fish a variety of water and only want to own 1 rod for now, i'd get a 9' 5wt. It does it all.

As far as brands go, I agree on casting as many different ones as you can, however that can be a difficult thing to do. I used this article to help me pick. I went with the Mystic Reaper 9' 5wt. I absolutely love it and I've fished with some guys who own the higher end ($400+)Sage, Scott, Loomis stuff. They are amazed at how the Reaper compares. Its my baby. Here's the article. Take it for what its worth.
http://www.yellowstoneangler.com/gear-review/2015-5-weight-shootout-fly-rod-review-5weightflyrodcomparison-loomisnrxlp-scott-radian-orvis-helios2-hardyzenith-loop-optistream
 
FWIW, there's generally two schools of thought.

Some guys like the light gear. 0-3 wt slow action gear. There's no real functional advantage, but the "feel" of a small light rod on a small stream has a certain appeal, and it allows 5-8" fish to show off as you can feel the fight better. The downside is that there's some tighter places you can't fish as effectively, but those that like this approach say the difference between 25 and 30 fish in a day is meaningless to them, and they'd rather enjoy the ones they do catch.

Others like heavier gear. 4 or 5 wt rods, fast action, perhaps overlined. Generally, these fish aren't line shy or drag shy, so "finesse" isn't really needed. The beafier setup and faster action will allow you to throw tighter loops through small windows and under overhanging branches and so forth. The downside is that you lose the ability to feel much of a fight out of little parr, because a short, stiff rod is kind of broomstickish.

Both agree on rod length. As long as you can get away with, but not longer. 🙂 Length is nice to lift line over currents, poke a rod into places, etc. But a long rod is unwieldy to walk around with, much less wave back and forth in thicker places. Generally speaking a 7 or 7 1/2 foot rod is a good jack of all trades brookie length. There are a few nasty rhododendron choked streams out there, though, where something even shorter is useful. There are also more open places where your regular 9 ft 5 wt is just fine.

For what it's worth, I fall in group #2 and take it to the extreme, as I've never considered the fight of a 7" fish to rank among my reasons to go brookie fishing. I use a medium-fast 4/5 wt rod and load it with 7 wt line, typically on 3x or 4x tippets (just small enough to fit through the eye of the hook). If a stream is more open than most and I expect some longer casting, I trade down to the other spool, loaded with 5 wt line, on the same rod.

Mine's a Cortland GRX. Don't think they make em anymore.

My next brookie rod will probably be:

TFO Lefty Kreh Professional Series - 7'6" 5 wt. Hard to find short 5 wts like this. I test casted it and it roll casts like a dream. About $160.

Other recommendations.

St. Croix Imperial - 7'6" 4 wt - love the Imperial, always have.

Orvis Clearwater - 7'6" 5 wt - I personally don't like the action on Clearwaters, but others may, and this setup fits the bill for the type of rod I like on small streams.

 
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