JayL.........YEP the ones in the ditch , the bigger ones , were very VERY leader shy. I use George Harveys tight brush formula for the natives out west here , they aren't shy of anything except shadows. The bigger ones in the ditch used to follow and bump sometimes for 20' it could drive ya nuts , add a strip of 8x or 10x for those now without even trying heavier , it's probably the pressure they get there , they've seen it all. Hopdemon......i'm an LBK , got about 10" stump , do good with prosthesis , do you wear one or hop? troutslammer.......8x is two pound test , 10x is one pound test in Maxima.