Fishing: Slow steelhead season related to walleye predation

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Fishing: Slow steelhead season related to walleye predation

Sunday, December 27, 2009
By Deborah Weisburg
If Erie steelhead failed to shine this year, you can blame voracious walleyes as much as low water in tributaries.

Predation on young steelhead by record numbers of adult walleyes born in 2003 led to fewer silvery salmonids for anglers to catch in recent months.

"There's definitely an inverse relationship between big walleye numbers in the lake and the number of steelheads in the streams," said Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission biologist Chuck Murray. "When we stock [steelhead] smolts during years of high walleye abundance, you can expect steelhead catch rates to decline a couple of years later."

The drop in steelhead this year wouldn't have been as obvious if weather had been better, since stream conditions dictate movement of fish in tributaries, Murray said.

"Flow and water temperatures affect steelhead catch rates as much or even more than walleyes in the lake. When there's water in the streams, people have been catching fish like crazy," he said. "But there's no doubt walleye abundance has an impact on smolt survival."

The commission maintains steelhead numbers by stocking more than 1 million 6 or 7 inch smolt a year. It does not stock walleyes, but tries to maintain abundance by establishing catchable quotas jointly with other Great Lakes states and Ontario, which has a significant commercial fishery. When necessary, Erie partners reduce both their commercial and recreational harvest limits.

Walleye populations began to nose-dive throughout the Great Lakes in 2005, making a 2011 change in regulations almost certain, Murray said. But the walleye hatch in 2003 was the best in a quarter of a century, he said. Walleyes born that year would have been age 2 in 2007 and able to forage effectively on steelhead smolts.

"As walleyes get older, they become big, effective predators that can eat a lot of fish," Murray said. "We'll cut open 6-year-old post-spawn females and find six to eight smolts in their bellies. Given how many steelhead we stock, there's plenty of forage available right there at the mouths of the creeks, where the big walleyes just gorge themselves."

While the walleyes' feast meant slim pickin's for anglers, it also put a bite on tackle shops. Brian Ruland of Poor Richard's Bait and Tackle said some of his customers made fewer trips to Erie.

"Between low water and the bad economy, they weren't willing to come up here as often for bad fishing," he said.

But, he added, "it wasn't all gloom and doom. The 2007 year class wasn't there, but you could still catch fish and they were bigger on the whole than in other years."

Fly fishing guide Ray Travis caught an 18-pound steelhead on one of the east side streams and the following week, a 14-pounder.

"There were bigger fish in the mix this year," he said, "and there were days when they were fairly fresh and bit with ease."

Low water also meant fewer crowds and more room on the stream for anglers willing to deal with tough conditions.

"It was a matter of fishing lighter tippets -- 3X and 4X -- smaller streamers, nymphs or egg patterns -- size 14 and 16 -- and less weight," said Travis. "Fish in low water may already be spooked, so you have to be stealthy and keep a little greater distance."

Steelheaders are likely to encounter fewer numbers through the winter, although spring is when runs typically peak, Murray said.

"Ice jams at the mouths could keep fish from coming in, but when there's enough open water and good flow, fishing can be good," he said.

Fish and Boat Commission creel surveys indicate some of the highest catch rates of the season are during the coldest months, in part because there are far fewer anglers on the stream and they tend to be more experienced, Murray said.

Travis suggests targeting steelhead in slack water in winter, because fish will seek slower pools to save energy. Anglers should slow their drifts and present flies precisely, since steelhead won't chase bait in frigid water.

"Toward spring, they're often paired up and spawning in shallow water, which can make them more visible," said Travis. "Especially the males, which tend to be darker when they've been in the stream awhile. It can be a good time for sight-fishing."



Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09361/1023707-358.stm#ixzz0atz2W1I0
 
Thanks, Paul, I was looking for a sixth excuse for why I have done so poorly on my trips this year.
 
Perfect timing. Hopefully this will chase everyone else off for my trip tomorrow.
 
how long you going to be up for alb?
 
Way to go Walleyes :-D
 
Fred..............i knew you'd say something like that and i have to agree , i think this kind of thing is part of a cycle and the steelhead will have their turn but right now , it's the walleyes turn , fish for walleye man , sound like they will be nice and fat and should taste good from a diet of trout. Down the road the steelhead will be fat from eating young walleyes , right?
 
Thanks Paul - interesting article.
Count me as something of a skeptic on this one. Certainly, there's no doubt that walleyes predate on steel smolts. And I tend to have a high level of respect for the views/studies put out by PFBC biologists like Mr Murray. However, I find it interesting that only walleyes are blamed for these population cycles? While walleyes are likely the primary smolt predator, what about other fishes? I'd assume that pike and large smallmouth bass take their fair share. Perhaps even adult steel returning to trib mouths may eat a few of their own in the fall (anybody ever find smolts in the stomach of adult steelhead?). While I favor the introduction of more brown trout to Lake Erie, I'd imagine this would further complicate this picture as large browns laid up off trib mouths could certainly whack a lota steel smolts. It seems that this conclusion is drawn rather solidly from what seems to me to a be a not-so-solid correlation between a walleye population boom a few years ago with an apparent steelhead drop this year. With the predicted decline of walleyes in the next few years, it will be interesting to see if there are any more down steel years. I'd be willing to bet there will be despite the lackof walleyes.
Nevertheless, interesting topic and certainly worth some more study.
 
The article sounds like it was published by Faux News. They have a theory and create their own conclusion.

The reason the fishing was poor this year is because there were only two runs prior to Thanksgiving and one in early December and then the criks froze up.

The experts even blame the low water conditions and economy on fewer trips. The low water and fewer runs would cause poor conditions regardless of the year class survival of 2007. They would just still be out in the lake.

Now, had there been ample high flows and no fish....I think you could perhaps draw that conclusion that the fish were not available to run....but they don't know for sure this occurred.

And the bit about higher catch rates in the winter during low and clear conditions because there are fewer anglers that are more experienced....I wonder where she heard that one....perhaps from an experienced steelheader I presume.
 
Maybe they could introduce the asian carp to take care of the young walleyes- hehe.

I can only offer an opinion based on my experience. Noticed the flow was pretty bad for weeks at a time.

Catch rates? How do they measure catch rates? Probably made it up 5-6 times this fall, 20 times last year and the year before and have never seen a WCO or a survey taker. (at least that was actively checking folks) Thought it was funny that they ran out of PAFB recording sheets a couple times I was at Poor Richards.
 
Flow seems to be the cause for less fish in my opinion.



As far as "better anglers in winter"

I would say that is true. One of my buddies loves to steelhead fish. He is not an "avid" spin/bait or whatever fisherman. He goes up once in while and NOT usually when its really cold.

I would say someone who is an "avid" or addicted to steel is more likely to be seen on a half frozen creek in feburary than my buddy who goes once or twice a year and throws some minnows.
 
yeah really as a first year steel addict i was expecting to see a ton of wco's havent seen one how are they supposed to enforce all the limit regs or make sure noone is snagging or even poaching steel? i figured id at least see one or two at least on of the 7 or 8 times i went this year kind of makes you wonder im sure theres more snagging or poaching going on than walleye predation.....
 
my theory...

the strong genetic urge to eat dog food 3 times a day has led to all the fish stacking in private SRC water
 
Yes, there were only a handful of runs this fall and the brood stock at the time were being gathered late.
The Jack run IMHO has been pitiful this fall.
 
might not be as many fish as there were 10-4-13 etc years ago , but there is still pleny of fish to catch , i was standing along side a nice run this winter and 2 guys waded the stream just right above where i was and it spooked all the fish infront of me downstream under the ice along the far bank , i saw them go , the two guys came up to me and my bro in law and said "geez we walked alot of creek today and haven't seen a fish " i looked at them and said "geez i wonder why ?" !
 
The Weisburg piece, IMO, is simply additional evidence of the intense commoditization of the Lake Erie steelhead fishery over the past 20 years. In terms of economic impact and accordingly, the number of noses pressed up against the glass in interest, the fishery has become a closer cousin to Rendell's casinos or a new 350 store shopping mall than anything to do with fishing.

This viewpoint, btw, is presented neither as a pro or con, but simply as an is..

Interestingly enough, back in the late 70's when the last generation of local geniuses revved up the coho/chinook program on the tribs and watched it fall flatter than a dead tomcat after three days on the interstate, one of the theories put forth to explain the lack of returning salmon was smolt predation by walleye. There were even t-shirts issued depicting a walleye chasing a salmon smolt and saying "yum-yum", etc.

I have no idea if the idea had any merit then and even less if it has any merit now. It's a big lake and there is a lot we don't know about its dynamics. I tend to doubt though that the predation is sufficient to reduce steelhead numbers noticeably. But that's just my humble lay viewpoint..

Perhaps the thing to do is start a major brown trout program in the lake and overwhelm the waiting predators with sheer numbers. Even a walleye can only eat so many fingerlings/smolts...🙂
 
The walleye is a Very effective predator in my experience of fishing for them at night in the Susquehanna. They love three things: cold weather, darkness, and the mouths of tributaries. I don't know how good the night vision of a salmon smolt is, but the 16-18" inch class of walleyes are like sharks in streams at night.

They are relentless. I really have no position on whether the walleye is a major threat to the salmon fishery in this instance, but they could definitely put a serious dent in the population around stream mouths.
 
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