Trout stamp

[CRB]

I’d only go for that if the monies dedicated to securing more public access were distributed primarily in proportion to their general regions of origin. As such, I think the access that has been acquired on Erie tribs is quite appropriate.

the state needs to make a new fund as I do not want the Lake Erie stamp money to go to the entire state.
The LE stamp money Fund should perhaps be used for larger offerings to bigger properties so they will open up . The sportsmen who use the Lake Erie and the tributaries fought hard for this fund.
When other groups want a fund they should have to fund their own fund.
If you don't want stocking perhaps you need to fish a state that has fewer stockings and less fishing opportunities. Such as Delaware Ohio and other New England states. Pennsylvania is very fortunate that stockings occur. Without them I feel the wild trout streams would not survive the increased pressure. Land owners would probably post more.
Want big native brook trout? Fish further north it will not happen in Pennsylvania our climate will not support it.
Ohio has a wonderful wild brook trout program it is called "No fishing for brook trout!"

 

[Mikey2006]

the state needs to make a new fund as I do not want the Lake Erie stamp money to go to the entire state. As this fund gathers
Ore money perhaps the larger offerings to bigger properties will open up . The sportsmen who use Lake Erie and the tributaries fought hard for this fund.
When other groups want a fund they should have their own fund.
If you don't want stocking perhaps you need to fish a state that has fewer stockings and less fishing opportunities. Such as Delaware Ohio and other New England states. Pennsylvania is very fortunate that stockings occur. With little them I feel the wild trout streams would not survive the increased pressure. Land owners would probably post more.
Want big native brook trout? Fish further north it will not happen in Pennsylvania our climate will not support it.
Ohio has a wonderful wild brook trout program it is called no fishing for brook trout.

I disagree with your claim that PA can’t support big native Brookies. You don’t have to go north to find bigger fish, just look at what West Virginia has been doing. They are starting to see fish up to 15”. Not just in surveys either, people are actually catching them in waters that are legal to fish.

I don’t see how there’s any argument against a cessation of stocking over top of or downstream of native brook trout populations. It’s not just climate that dictates growth, it’s the ability to migrate to bigger water and have connected populations that does. That also would provide a layer of protection against a population being wiped out as the changing climate threatens these fish even more. And that would go for wild brown trout as well.

Even if those changes wouldn’t result in a substantially larger brookies, which for certain watersheds it definitely would, it should be done anyway. It’s not about what we want as fisherman, it’s about restoring things to the way they naturally were (or at a minimum, preventing things from getting any worse)

 

[sixfootfenwick]

How dare the bad bad men ask for fiscal responsibility and better management of our stocked trout resources! 😂

 

[Cznymph]

the state needs to make a new fund as I do not want the Lake Erie stamp money to go to the entire state. As this fund gathers
Ore money perhaps the larger offerings to bigger properties will open up . The sportsmen who use Lake Erie and the tributaries fought hard for this fund.
When other groups want a fund they should have their own fund.
If you don't want stocking perhaps you need to fish a state that has fewer stockings and less fishing opportunities. Such as Delaware Ohio and other New England states. Pennsylvania is very fortunate that stockings occur. With little them I feel the wild trout streams would not survive the increased pressure. Land owners would probably post more.
Want big native brook trout? Fish further north it will not happen in Pennsylvania our climate will not support it.
Ohio has a wonderful wild brook trout program it is called no fishing for brook trout.

What exactly did these sportsmen you reference want to achieve when they created this stamp?

 

[CRB]

First purchase gill net licenses from the commercial fishermen.
2ed when that was accomplished access and facilities in the Lake Erie watershed.

I put my efforts and time into working for easements over access areas. . I worked with PAFBC to link up properties along the tributaries.
I worked to present fisherpeople a good folks to private property owners..
It took some time but the efforts produced fruit. I was elected to multiple positions in the local clubs and used my leadership to sway elected officials and state agencies on the merits of Lake Erie fishing. The economic impact studies put weight behind the arguments.

 

[Mike]

Using this logic, should the majority of the access funds be used in the Pittsburgh area, since that’s where a large number of Erie area anglers live?

No, because it’s obvious that they have an Erie stamp and thise monies are dedicated to Lake Erie and its tribs.

 

[Cznymph]

First purchase gill net licenses from the commercial fishermen.
2ed when that was accomplished access and facilities in the Lake Erie watershed.

I put my efforts and time into working for easements over access areas. . I worked with PAFBC to link up properties along the tributaries.
I worked to present fisherpeople a good folks to private property owners..
It took some time but the efforts produced fruit. I was elected to multiple positions in the local clubs and used my leadership to sway elected officials and state agencies on the merits of Lake Erie fishing. The economic impact studies put weight behind the arguments.

Do you think that the easements would still be needed if there weren’t frequent issues with anglers not respecting property owners, urinating on lawns, and parking where they shouldn’t?

When was the last time the funds from this stamp were used for something other than steelhead access? Perhaps like maintenance on the Northeast marina.

 

[Cznymph]

No, because it’s obvious that they have an Erie stamp and thise momies are dedicated to Lake Erie and its tribs.

That’s not what you said. You wanted the money to be used in the place of origin.

If I buy my Erie stamp in Potter County, that money originated in Potter.

 

[Mike]

What if many people from a specific area drive a considerable distance to fish some other area?

Too bad. Regions with higher license sales do not have the amount of public access to streams that regions with lower sales do. There needs to be a better balance. Top license sales counties have traditionally been Bucks, Allegheny, York. I don’t know if they still are, but my point is that the masses are probably not primarily traveling out of their regions, SE and SW for example, to fish.

 

[Mike]

That’s not what you said. You wanted the money to be used in the place of origin.

My second sentence should have clarified that for you.

 

[Mike]

That’s not what you said. You wanted the money to be used in the place of origin.

If I buy my Erie stamp in Potter County, that money originated in Potter.

But your license originated in Potter and whatever portion of your regular fishing license that would perhaps be dedicated to access would stay in NC Pa. under the scenario I’ve described.

Furthermore, such allocations by region would not be difficult. Prior to Operation Future’s trout management by classification, the PFBC used to allocate 5.1 million trout per year based primarily on county by county license sales. If some portion of license sales were dedicated to access in a very broad sense of the word, that portion could be allocated similarly on a regional basis…a region being the sum of $ from the counties therein.

 

[Cznymph]

My second sentence should have clarified that for you.

You’re literally advocating for the thing that you’re telling me you didn’t say in the post above this.

 

[CRB]

Do you think that the easements would still be needed if there weren’t frequent issues with anglers not respecting property owners, urinating on lawns, and parking where they shouldn’t?

When was the last time the funds from this stamp were used for something other than steelhead access? Perhaps like maintenance on the Northeast marina.

Big wild brook trout will create demand and popularity, how are you going to stop the same from happening Potter County?
Northeast marian was acquired with the Boat Fund. These moneys have to be shared throughout the state and the maintenance fees are derived from this fund. The recent problem with electrical issue demanded work to be done quickly and the state was not prepared to so. The locals offered to do the work and the property was conveyed to a new Authority.

 

[Mike]

Do you think that the easements would still be needed if there weren’t frequent issues with anglers not respecting property owners, urinating on lawns, and parking where they shouldn’t?

When was the last time the funds from this stamp were used for something other than steelhead access? Perhaps like maintenance on the Northeast marina.

Would easements still be needed? Yes, such are the times in which we live.

 

[Cznymph]

Big wild brook trout will create demand and popularity, how are you going to stop the same from happening Potter County?
Northeast marian was acquired with the Boat Fund. These moneys have to be shared throughout the state and the maintenance fees are derived from this fund. The recent problem with electrical issue demanded work to be done quickly and the state was not prepared to so. The locals offered to do the work and the property was conveyed to a new Authority.

Sounds to me like the continuation of the Erie Stamp is a solution to a problem the PFBC created themselves.

Erie Stamp money may be used for boat ramps. There’s no excuse for the history of poor maintenance on the part of the PFBC. What the PFBC excuse for the elk creek ramp?

 

[CRB]

Sounds to me like the continuation of the Erie Stamp is a solution to a problem the PFBC created themselves.

Erie Stamp money may be used for boat ramps. There’s no excuse for the history of poor maintenance on the part of the PFBC. What the PFBC excuse for the elk creek ramp?

Erie Stamp money may be used for boat ramps. There’s no excuse for the history of poor maintenance on the part of the PFBC. What the PFBC excuse for the elk creek ramp?.........Ask them.

 

[troutbert]

Do you think that the easements would still be needed if there weren’t frequent issues with anglers not respecting property owners, urinating on lawns, and parking where they shouldn’t?

Yes, definitely.

If there was no littering and other disrespect of private lands, and all fishermen were perfect in their behavior, there would still be a great of posting of lands along streams.

 

[Cznymph]

Erie Stamp money may be used for boat ramps. There’s no excuse for the history of poor maintenance on the part of the PFBC. What the PFBC excuse for the elk creek ramp?.........Ask them.

When was the last time the Erie stamp money was used for non-steelhead related access?

 

[PennKev]

but my point is that the masses are probably not primarily traveling out of their regions, SE and SW for example, to fish.

I think that totally misses the need to secure or expand access on our best or most popular waters. The need for it on the Erie tribs was obvious.