2025 Smallie Thread

Started on the Tully this morning but just wasn’t feeling it. Jumped over to the Skook and got one bite and it was a good one. Caught in shallow riffles which surprised me. It was absolutely a blast with my 5 wt. the fish jumped multiple times. Caught on flashy, white articulating streamer with a cone head and added shot.
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Started on the Tully this morning but just wasn’t feeling it. Jumped over to the Skook and got one bite and it was a good one. Caught in shallow riffles which surprised me. It was absolutely a blast with my 5 wt. the fish jumped multiple times. Caught on flashy, white articulating streamer with a cone head and added shot. View attachment 1641241753View attachment 1641241754
Damn, what a hog! He's not missing any meals. Congrats. 👍
 
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Didn’t mean that you were. Was just bringing up that it seems there is an abundance of anglers taking advantage of the opportunity of obvious spawning locations on the Susky system. I genuinely don’t understand why it’s more accepted to fish on spawning bass than spawning trout.
No worries, I didn’t take it that way. But you do make a good point — spawning bass should not be treated any different than spawning trout.
 
Didn’t mean that you were. Was just bringing up that it seems there is an abundance of anglers taking advantage of the opportunity of obvious spawning locations on the Susky system. I genuinely don’t understand why it’s more accepted to fish on spawning bass than spawning trout.
I mean it’s clear that targeting spawning fish and immediately releasing them usually has no significant effect on a bass fishery. It’s been happening for decades and every basically major event for every major tournament trail in the spring is won targeting spawners. I believe for certain events on the elite series during the spawn they don’t even bring the fish back to weigh in, it’s just catch weigh and release (like MLF is). Point is that it’s been widely accepted since forever and as long as they are immediately released I personally don’t see an issue with it. I find more of an issue with the way many tournaments are done, I think B.A.S.S. should do what MLF has been doing. Although I have fished my fair share of local tournaments so I can’t really judge them for that.

I don’t fish for spawning trout because I feel like catching the spawners (especially the big, older fish) can be seriously harmful to them. Some of them probably migrated a long way to get to where they are spawning and the last thing you want is for them to get scared off the redd, or worse, killed due to exhaustion. With bass that isn’t as much of a concern.

I will say that there is zero scientific basis for anything I just said and I could be horribly wrong about this, but that’s just my opinion based of what I’ve observed
 
I mean it’s clear that targeting spawning fish and immediately releasing them usually has no significant effect on a bass fishery. It’s been happening for decades and every basically major event for every major tournament trail in the spring is won targeting spawners. I believe for certain events on the elite series during the spawn they don’t even bring the fish back to weigh in, it’s just catch weigh and release (like MLF is). Point is that it’s been widely accepted since forever and as long as they are immediately released I personally don’t see an issue with it. I find more of an issue with the way many tournaments are done, I think B.A.S.S. should do what MLF has been doing. Although I have fished my fair share of local tournaments so I can’t really judge them for that.

I don’t fish for spawning trout because I feel like catching the spawners (especially the big, older fish) can be seriously harmful to them. Some of them probably migrated a long way to get to where they are spawning and the last thing you want is for them to get scared off the redd, or worse, killed due to exhaustion. With bass that isn’t as much of a concern.

I will say that there is zero scientific basis for anything I just said and I could be horribly wrong about this, but that’s just my opinion based of what I’ve observed
Yea I know it’s old news really and I’m not ferociously against it. When you see ten boats at a creek mouth, especially guides and kayaks running up the creeks hammering 100+ fish it seems at least questionable to me.

The live well tournament stuff is kinda wack. The catch weigh release or catch photo release like done in the kayak tournaments is far better. Also those flogger things they use to fish beds is a little ridiculous. And the sonar and live scope, it’s all pretty crazy.
 
I mean it’s clear that targeting spawning fish and immediately releasing them usually has no significant effect on a bass fishery. It’s been happening for decades and every basically major event for every major tournament trail in the spring is won targeting spawners. I believe for certain events on the elite series during the spawn they don’t even bring the fish back to weigh in, it’s just catch weigh and release (like MLF is). Point is that it’s been widely accepted since forever and as long as they are immediately released I personally don’t see an issue with it. I find more of an issue with the way many tournaments are done, I think B.A.S.S. should do what MLF has been doing. Although I have fished my fair share of local tournaments so I can’t really judge them for that.

I don’t fish for spawning trout because I feel like catching the spawners (especially the big, older fish) can be seriously harmful to them. Some of them probably migrated a long way to get to where they are spawning and the last thing you want is for them to get scared off the redd, or worse, killed due to exhaustion. With bass that isn’t as much of a concern.

I will say that there is zero scientific basis for anything I just said and I could be horribly wrong about this, but that’s just my opinion based of what I’ve observed
The potential harms associated with bed fishing were first mentioned over 50 years ago (Kramer and Smith 1962). The principle concern associated with bed fishing is that if a nest-guarding bass is captured, predators will consume the unprotected eggs and fry. If substantial numbers of eggs and fry are lost to predation, then the abundance of juvenile bass produced that year may be low. Prolonged reductions in juvenile production could in theory lead to decreases in overall bass numbers because too few new bass would remain to replace the adults that die due to natural or fishing-related causes. Much of the research on bed fishing impacts has been conducted on the sister species of the Florida bass, the largemouth bass, in northern portions of the United States (Illinois) and southern Ontario (e.g., Philipp et al. 1997). Until recently, it was unknown whether impacts at the individual level, such as the loss of a single nest to bed fishing, scale to population-level harm. That is, does the number of juveniles in subsequent years decline as a result of the loss of one or a few nests?

No.

It is logical to conclude however that the morons, in herd, running their boats by, pass after pass, targeting spawning beds in a single river system likely do damage to smallmouth bass populations.
 
I have often thought the same as andrwhite. thinking about overall handling I'm guilty of- I cradle and ease a trout back into the water. I tend to just place a SMB back in the water unless it was a long fight. This may be reinforced by observation. A released trout meanders and goes away. Some move to the side and rests. Most bass immediately dart off.
a few more theories
as evidenced by another post over which pulls harder, SMB are thought to be tougher, stronger. Maybe if I get some time I'll try to look into scientific evidence that suggests this to be true.
I have often said that we overestimate the fragility of trout- this is not advocating for fishing over spawning trout or mishandling them.
It may have to do with differences in spawning behavior and time. Trout may be more exposed in the low clear water in November. Trout migrated and built beds during a more stressful time and thus are more susceptible to being stressed during spawning
after being disturbed bass might immediately return to the bed. Trout scatter more and take longer to return.
Perhaps we can just see trout better and are more aware?
scientifically, is there a difference in rate of spawning success of SMB vs trout?
Trout tend to be overplayed because of light lines, especially in low Nov water. Bass are landed more quickly on heavier lines

Finally, angler perception and one group being more (or overly, depending on your perspective) conscience. Some of this is sound practice, others not. I guess I'm a control experiment, but an N=1. Same fisherman, just a different behavior and perceptions of the two fish.

 
I've always felt I'm missing something on this. Every early season bass I've ever seen on a shallow bed couldn't give a sh!t about anything I've put in front of them.

I don't exert any effort on sightfishing for bass, unless they're popping on top. It's not that serious.
 
I've always felt I'm missing something on this. Every early season bass I've ever seen on a shallow bed couldn't give a sh!t about anything I've put in front of them.

I don't exert any effort on sightfishing for bass, unless they're popping on top. It's not that serious.
Not worth the effort for the tiny males. But when I see a big female hanging around, I’ll fish for it until it eventually bites. They aren’t necessarily hungry while spawning, you just have to drag something over their bed until they get pissed off and try to remove it. Unfortunately the males usually bite first and spook the female. That is, if you can find the female. Sometimes they are only on the bed for an hour or two and that’s it.

It takes a while sometimes, I can think of a few occasions where I worked the same fish for over an hour before finally catching it. I still think about a 6-7 lb female largemouth I saw spawning in a pressured public pond that I was never able to catch, that’s the only time those bigger fish become catchable in certain waters. The thing was probably no more than 21 inches long, but it was as round as a basketball. Literally.

I don’t bother targeting spawners anymore, mostly because pa is a horrible state for catching big largies and also because I’d rather go fly fishing instead (nearly all of my bass fishing is done with spinning or baitcasting tackle). And I never really fish for smallies until late spring since I’m preoccupied with trout until then. I gotta break out the fly rod on the Susky at some point this year, I can’t even imagine how hard one of those 4+ pounders would fight on the fly
 
Not worth the effort for the tiny males. But when I see a big female hanging around, I’ll fish for it until it eventually bites. They aren’t necessarily hungry while spawning, you just have to drag something over their bed until they get pissed off and try to remove it. Unfortunately the males usually bite first and spook the female. That is, if you can find the female. Sometimes they are only on the bed for an hour or two and that’s it.

It takes a while sometimes, I can think of a few occasions where I worked the same fish for over an hour before finally catching it. I still think about a 6-7 lb female largemouth I saw spawning in a pressured public pond that I was never able to catch, that’s the only time those bigger fish become catchable in certain waters. The thing was probably no more than 21 inches long, but it was as round as a basketball. Literally.

I don’t bother targeting spawners anymore, mostly because pa is a horrible state for catching big largies and also because I’d rather go fly fishing instead (nearly all of my bass fishing is done with spinning or baitcasting tackle). And I never really fish for smallies until late spring since I’m preoccupied with trout until then. I gotta break out the fly rod on the Susky at some point this year, I can’t even imagine how hard one of those 4+ pounders would fight on the fly

Makes sense. Most of my experience is based on watching big female largemouth in stillwater. If they don't seem game after a couple casts, I'm not interested. Never pushed it.

To be frank, I've grown up around so many bass that I can't really get excited about them. Love to catch them, but I'm not driven to do anything even slightly ethically questionable to land one.
 
Makes sense. Most of my experience is based on watching big female largemouth in stillwater. If they don't seem game after a couple casts, I'm not interested. Never pushed it.

To be frank, I've grown up around so many bass that I can't really get excited about them. Love to catch them, but I'm not driven to do anything even slightly ethically questionable to land one.
I can think of only two or three fisheries in PA that would make serious largemouth fishing more interesting than other types of fishing at least for me. When I am fishing for largies it’s almost strictly with big 7+ inch long glidebaits (which somehow hasn’t stopped me from catching the dinky 1.5-2 pounders and also hasn’t increased my catch rate for the big ones.) Although I think a bunch of 10 inchers in a farm pond would be the perfect introduction to fly fishing for bass for me.

Smallies are a different story though, the Susky is just incredible. There’s not many places where 50+ fish days with several 3+ pounders are common.
 
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