No problem John, well it was a problem but I knew one of us would figure it out. Man what a weekend that was, up till two or three, fishing first thing all day, by Sunday on spring I was so tired I could hardly hold my arms up! Great weekend, we fished hard. I have some mink that is almost the color of a brick, redish/orange kinda color. I'll tie one with that for the ab like you're doing Pontus mix it up a little. Thanks Biggie I love flies with one kind of material that's such a quick tie that are so effective in all seasons. I've fished with you enough now Roger to know that most any fly on your tippet is effective, no matter where your at.