San Juan worm

[pete41]

As an ardent streamer man I don't recall any that would meet Jacks high standards but the fish liked them.

 

[gfen]

jayL wrote:
I will tie you some sucker spawns. You can believe in them.

I believe in you, Jay.

I believe in you.

 

[JackM]

pete41 wrote:
As an ardent streamer man I don't recall any that would meet Jacks high standards but the fish liked them.

If I established a standard somewhere, find it and kill it.

 

[Fishidiot]

While SJWs are hardly go-to flies for me - I do fish 'em a fair amount, usually in the springtime and usually tandem with a nymph or sucker spawn.

I find I like to tie my SJWs without the forward extending section as this (at least for me) has resulted in a kinked fly that sometimes twists. I usually tie off the end of the "worm" at the eye of the hook. There's a Hareline Dubbin product I like called "Pearl Core" that makes for a neat and realistic looking SJW.

 

[osprey]

Fishi...........those flies look like they will get their attention to me , nice. And if they don't get their attention use JayL's method and let it sit , i can't wait to try that. i'm not being critical but try tying the chenille in at the rear half way around the bend of the hook , it creates a bend in the fly that looks realistic. instead of a straight piece of chenille you start out with a bend already tied into it. kind of like an "L" or "J"

 

[JackM]

I changed my mind too being unwilling to call Fishidiot's worms "junk."

There are times when a well presented worm imitation will get attention that nothing else will. I wish I knew when that was. Might have saved me during a few stupifying hatches.

 

[jayL]

osprey wrote:
Fishi...........those flies look like they will get their attention to me , nice. And if they don't get their attention use JayL's method and let it sit , i can't wait to try that. i'm not being critical but try tying the chenille in at the rear half way around the bend of the hook , it creates a bend in the fly that looks realistic. instead of a straight piece of chenille you start out with a bend already tied into it. kind of like an "L" or "J"

All credit goes to squaretail on that method. I'll be trying it.

 

[mike_richardson]

while fishing the hole where Freeman and The First Fork come together i noticed 2 guys just tearing fish out left and right. They were using floats but i couldn't tell what they were using. The one guy made the mistake and cast over my line. I "generously" brought it in and found all they were doing was drifting a red worm 2 feet from the float in a hole i know is well over 6 feet deep. Maybe try this fly in a shallow drift to see if you get any different effect.


When i tie mine i like bend the ends and to move a lighter of the fly quickly and hold it. The material will stay in the curve and give it a some what "SQUIRMY" (for lack of better term) look

I had a lot of hits on a brown SJW with a bead in the middle in Erie.

 

[FrequentTyer]

mike_richardson wrote:

When i tie mine i like bend the ends and to move a lighter of the fly quickly and hold it. The material will stay in the curve and give it a some what "SQUIRMY" (for lack of better term) look

On the "squirmy" point, I found this article a while back and thought it was interesting:
http://www.landbigfish.com/articles/default.cfm?ID=1930
I did tie a few of these coiled SJWs, but I'm in the camp of no confidence in this type of fly, so I cant recall ever actually tying one on.

On the topic of "junk" flys, I think the definition is simple and has nothing to do with catching fish. If a beginner can tie it after less that 3 months practice and before spending at least $2000 on tools and materials, it must be junk :lol: :lol:

 

[WildTigerTrout]

I love "Junk" flies! Easy to tie and catch alot of fish. What more can you ask for. I can tie difficult flies and I do but don't count out the "Junk" flies.

 

[whheff]

I don't recall reading in on this thread but when I was in MT last Sept. they used swimming nymph hooks and wound red wire around it for their SJW. I am not a big fan of SJWs but this version worked great in faster water and was not as heavy or bulky as a Vladi worm. I have tied some up but i haven't got a chance to use them yet.

 

[JackM]

FrequentTyer wrote:
On the topic of "junk" flys, I think the definition is simple and has nothing to do with catching fish. If a beginner can tie it after less that 3 months practice and before spending at least $2000 on tools and materials, it must be junk :lol: :lol:

The King of All Junk Flies cannot be tied quickly and easily: the Royal Coachman Dry. Don't forget, you MUST use golden pheasant tippets for the tail.

I was "that guy" who chased the Adams hatch around Fayette County one season.