Tippet Size

rscheckler

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Now as many of you are aware, I am new to the sport of fly fishing. I am looking at doing some stream fishing this winter and I would like to know your input on tippet size. I am assuming there is a strong relation between the tippet size and the fly size. Thanks for the help.
 
I almost always use 5x for trout, in various situations and flies.

I will use 4x for streamers for a little extra strength for when a fish hits the fly while stripping the fly in.

(It has been prooven that fish don't really mind tippet. In another topic, someone mentioned that 2 thousandths of a inch really doesn't make a difference)
 
The old saw is to divide the hook size of your fly by 4 to determine your tippet size. Following that, you can use 4x for size 16 flies, and not go to 5x until you are fishing a size 20 midge.

Realisitically, I use 5x for almost everything. But you can use a heavier tippet it you control drag. To do that, you can increase the length of your tippet and cast well. For my money, it's mighty hard to do both (i.e. cast a long leader AND cast it well). So I divide by 4 and drop a size as I've said.
 
I use 5X for just about all my trout fishing. Will sometimes use 4X in heavy current with streamers and nymphs.
 
A number of guides and fly shop employees have told me that if you're fishing nymphs or streamers, you really should never have to fish anything lighter than 5x. That's especially true if you're using fluorocarbon.
 
5X, don't leave home without. Listen to Pad, that's the formula that I use. Mostly use 5x though.

JH
 
i use 5 6 and 7. 5x for big streamers. 6x usually is always the end of my leader that i fish everything with. Really the only time i use 7x is if the fish are super spooky/waters clear and i use a tandem ill have the end fly a little sz20 midge
 
Oh, an addendum... If a fly is bushy or bulky, for example a humpy (which is both), bump UP the tippet size to reduce tangles.

I carry 4, 5 & 6x. If I ever feel that I need 7x, I'll just go home. If the trout are that spooky, it's just frustrating and there's plenty of other things to do with your life than beat your head against a wall.
 
I agree with those that say 5x is a very good starting point. More and more it is generally accepted that the fish are not as tippet shy as was previously thought. However, too heavy of a tippet for a smaller fly will make it behave less life-like in the water. For dry flies, too heavy of a tippet will make drag free drifts harder, if not impossible, to achieve.

The three most important aspects in fly fishing are as follows, not in any particular order: 1 Presentation 2 presentation and 3 presentation. After that somewhere down the line specific pattern selection comes into play.

For streamers I would suggest going down to no less than 3x. Believe me, I learned this the hard way when I was starting to fish big streamers for big fish. By big I mean anything bigger than a size 6. Of course, you need to use a streamer and tippet sized to the fish you are after. I do not throw a big streamer on small mountain brookie streams. Out here we chuck big streamers on 1x, sometimes even 0x. When I am back in Pa. I do the same thing. It works.

For real small stuff, 18 and smaller, it is often necessary to go down to 6x, rarely 7x. I know that I will have many disagree, but, I fish Depuy's spring creek all the time and never use anything smaller than 6x. That is true for the Big Horn and Mo where tiny flies are the ticket.

Using 7x and smaller really adds to the stress that the fish go through. Playing bigger fish on light tippets is a skill that is good to learn, but work your way up (or down) over time. The lighter the tippet the more important it is to have a decent reel with a good drag.

BTW, it is good to learn to play big, strong fish on your trout gear. The way I learned a good deal was to fly fish for carp with my trout rods. Go after smallies too. Anything that will fight much harder than your average trout. That way, the first huge trout you hook and try to play on your fly rod will not be the first huge (relatively) fish you ever hooked. It is far better to loose a few 5 lb carp than 1 5lb brown! Beside, with carp you can learn just how much preasure you can put into a fish on a given tippet.

One more related point. I see this with far too many of my clients. Tie good knots, and re-tie them often. After a few fish, after no fish and a good snag that comes out. The more you re-tie your flies the less fish you will loose. I have seen far too many fish of a lifetime get away from poorly tied knots or knots that should have been re-tied long ago.
 
flybop is extremely right about knots.

I'd guess that more fly anglers loose more fish becuas eof faulty knots than the tippet breaking. Let's face it, a 2 lb. fish is going to have a hard time breaking 5 lb. test, but when a bad knot reduces the test to 2 lbs. a 2 lb. fish can easily break the line. This isn't even taking into consideration knots that slip out because they are tied incorrectly.

Of course, tying good knots comes with practice. I can remember loosing a ton of fish and flies because of bad knots; I thought it would never end. Then, one day, the flies stopped coming undone. (thank God - it was driving me crazy)
 
Depends on how "educated" the fish are. By educated trout I mean fish like those on the Little Lehigh or Valley Creek (which is my home water). I typically use 6x for most situations that involve bigger dries, nymphs, and streamers. If the fish are really finicky or if you are using dry flies size 18 or smaller then I typically use an 8x tippet.
 
pad, you beat your head against the wall? I just fish. 😉
 
Wmass, you bring up two very good examples of tough trout. I used to fish Valley Creek regularly. My in-laws live near there. I also used to fish the Little Lehigh a good bit years ago.

I was once given a spool of "12"X (don't know how they made that claim) tippet at a show. The only two places I ever even tried to use it were on Valley and the Little Lehigh. In all honesty the fish in Valley can be every bit as difficult to catch as the fish in Depuy's and the other Paradise Valley spring creeks.
 
I use 6x for dries and 3x for subsurface fishing.
 
3x? wow, what do you fish, only streamers?
 
Mute, 3x out west is kinda like 5 back east. That was one of the big differences that I had to wrap my head around when I moved back to Montana. Granted, we use 3x for nymphs and even dries down to 14, sometimes 16 here out of a drift boat. But, 3x is still pretty standard for nymphing when wade fishing.

Having seen how effective you can be with 3x has me leaning more towards the thinking that the trout do not really care. There are exceptions of course, but then, IMHO, it goes back to presentation first.

Here is another exception and reason to go thinnner. I know, I am contradicting myself here. A thinner tippet does sink faster than a heavier one. This is a good reason to go to right angle nymphing as opposed to tappered leaders.

The way I look at it is to use the heaviest tippet you can in the current situation. It may take some experimenting, but hey, isn't that part of the game?
 
flybop wrote:
Mute, 3x out west is kinda like 5 back east.

I will say that I haven't used my spool of 7x since I moved back from Idaho...I never used 3x for anything but steelhead out west and used 5x almost always...those high clear lakes? Nothing but 7x if I wanted to catch anything...4x if I was tubing with large buggers or leeches or fishing big stones...5x for anything on top.
 
I'll usually pack 3x and 4x for streamers, and 5x, 6x and 7x for nymphs and dry's. 3x and 4x come in handy to build leaders back up if you've started to clip them close to the end of the taper (that is if you cheap and use the same leader for a month like me).
 
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