Grannom imitations?

jreichel

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What fly or fly pattern do you use when fishing a Grannom hatch?

I plan on fishing this hatch on a stream here in Northwest PA. but have never seen a Grannom Caddis and have not been able to find a comercial fly with that name!

Thanks in advance!
Jeff
 
Someone posted a picture of the pupae and it is a bright green like a green weenie. So I'd go with that for your subsurface.

For the dry, a black Elk Hair Caddis should do, tye in a bright green (like chartruese) butt. Size 16 is probably best. The female ovipositors have to swim to the bottom to lay eggs, so you may want a fly with some heft to simulate them crashing the surface. I had a huge take with a letort cricket once... but it was so violent, it snapped my tippet. Try one of those or maybe a beetle with a black deer hair wing.
 
Some days a simple caddis - just wing (deer, elk, or snowshoe hare) and body without the palmered hackle of the EHC works better.
 
I've been using a fluttering caddis pattern for years with success.
The recipe:

chocolate brown dubbing body
brown deer hair tied tent wing style
2-3 turns of brown hackle collar behind the eye

On oil and sugar creek, I use these in size #16. But last year, on Penns creek, a size #14 was needed
 
these:
 
I tie a regular tent wing style caddis but I use swiss straw for the wing...looks just like them...gray body, black hackle, swiss straw wing...
 
Sorry! Those pix didn't up load very well! Anyway they are hairs mask dubed body and deer body hair wing on a 16 hook!
 
JR,

I can't tell the color but a typical rule of caddis wings or any other downwing for that matter is to not extend it past the bend. Stack your hair to keep the tips uniform and measure it to the bend.

Kapeesh?

Maurice

PS, they look like they'd make good for a cricket.
 
I posted this before, but it is the best explaination I’ve read about the Grannom hatch in PA. It’s written by Lloyd Gonzales, the author of “Fly Fishing Pressured Waters”. I find, by far the most useful patterns for Grannoms is Brown and Bright green size 16 or 14 Lafountaine Emergent Sparkle pupa. Sandfly has a photo of that fly in his post above. I also fish a Deep Sparkle Pupa of the same color before the hatch. For the darker species I fish the same pattern in black in size 16 – 18. For a simpler pattern you can try a Leadwing Coachman (Peacock herl body with soft hackles) with a chartreuse butt.

I do disagree with Mo about downwings not extending over the hook bend. Stonefly downwings extend just past the body, but many caddisflies the wing is nearly twice the length of the body. Attach is a photo of the adult Grannom – stubby body with long wings.




Grannom, American Grannom, Shadfly, Apple Caddis, Mother's Day Caddis, and Black Caddis are all common names applied to Brachycentrus species. Mother's Day Caddis is the most common Western nickname for Brachycentrus occidentalis, a Western "grannom," but I have also heard this name applied generally to "grannoms" here in the East.

In PA, it is useful to think of "dark grannoms" and "light grannoms." The species your flies are imitating are more typical of the dark grannoms. The "apple caddis" is a light grannom. Most of the important (PA) Brachycentrus species have overlapping hatch periods, so either dark or light imitations (or both) can be called for, depending on the stream.

Here's my current breakdown for important PA species:

Brachycentrus numerosus--Penn's Creek Caddisfly, Dark Grannom, Dark Shadfly; adults have dark-mottled wings and dark blackish green bodies; pupae usually dark with green lateral stripes and dark wingcases.

Brachycentrus lateralis--Striped Grannom, Dark Grannom, Black Caddis; adults have dark wings and pupae are typically dark olive with tan lateral stripes and dark wingcases.

Brachycentrus nigrosoma--Little Dark Grannom, Little Black Caddis; adults/pupae are smaller and darker than numerosus.

Brachycentrus appalachia--Apple Caddis, Light Shadfly, Light Grannom; adults have very light tannish or grayish wings (almost white when freshly emerged) and apple green bodies; pupae are apple green with tan wingcases.

(Brachycentrus solomoni and incanu are also found in PA. B. solomoni is very similar to numerosus, and incanu is rather rare.)

Most "grannom" activity in PA occurs from mid-April to mid-May. During that time, if you carry imitations of dark and light grannoms (adults and pupae) in sizes #14-16, you should have most bases covered.

You are right that the adult imitations are seldom very good during the emergence (pupa or emerger patterns are best). During the egg-laying activity, however, they are often very effective. The fish may prefer skittered, dead-drifted, or wet adult imitations depending upon the concentrations around their lies.
 
Thanks! As allways you guys are a great help!

Maurice, Thanks, my tying abilities and know how are limited and I need all the input I can get. 🙂

Afish, Thanks for the great info and pic! I've been looking all over the net for one.

Jeff
 
This is a nice pattern for a dry.

Link to recipe

Drop a Sparkle pupa off the bend of the hook and you should be all set.
 
Grannoms change on every stream it seems. The Grannoms on Fishing Creek are black/dark grey with a little olive spot on the side of the body and greyish wings. I tie mine with a black body and either grey elk hair or malard wing feathers for the wings and I palmer the body with dark dun hackle. I make some with a green egg sack. The eggs on the grannoms on fishing creek are a medium green color...not chartreuce and not real dark either. I never had much luck with the sparkle pupas but I keep on trying them.
 
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