Fishing stonefly patterns

jkilroy

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Just curious,
I'm not educated on stonefly habits or lifecycle and I was wondering if you fish them spring only or all year around. I tried some some patterns up this summer when I was away, for penns and big fishing creek and I would like to know when I can use them. They have to get me into some big fish.
 
jkil,
While stoneflies hatch at different times of the year depending on species, stonefly nymphs are often drifting year round on many of our streams. This is particularly true for the large "golden stones" that are common in many of our state's freestone waters, esp in the northern tier of the state. Some of these larger species of stonefly have nymph life cycles over a year so can be found throughout the seasons. In my opinion, a stonefly nymph is one of the the most versatile flies you can use for trout and they consistently catch fish 365 days of the year. I tend to view stonefly nymphs for freestone trout fishing as comparable to scuds for limestoners: They're available to fish all year and seem to be a food item that the trout are always keyed on, even in the dead of winter.

Use 'em with confidence.
 
Thanks, is there lots of streams that have the golden stones other than penns and fishing creek?
 
A lot of streams here in pa have goldens, I have even found the im spring creeks like the little lehigh. Don't pass up the olives, browns, blacks, yellow, and even the little green stone. I am working on a page for my website pertaining to the stones of pa.

here in tioga there are 30 different stoneflys alone.
 
Like Sandy said, there tons of stoneflies in many PA streams. Flipping some rocks in the faster water will tell you a lot. One other tip, the stoneflies in fall and winter are immature and imitating them with a smaller version of the fly may work best.

Flip & Fish....
 
Why do we assume he's talking about stonefly "nymphs" he doesn't say nymphs in the post anywhere , adult stoneflies , doing that fluttering , motorboat thing on the surface bring me some nice trout and sometimes there is no visible hatch going on but fishing a dry fly imitation of a stonefly with a little bit of motion brings some nice fish up , almost all our trout streams have some kind of stonefly in them. And yes , even in the middle of winter , the nymphs are there. But it's so much fun to catch them on the top.
 
I was talking about the nymphs. So do you use the big nymphs in the spring?
 
We use #16/#18 Wiggle Stones in Black for Steelhead all winter and into spring....
 
There are dry fly stoneflies? I have seen some floating on the top of the water, but I did't know there where dries for that.
 
jkilroy wrote:
I was talking about the nymphs. So do you use the big nymphs in the spring?

The size of stonefly nymphs varies more by species than time of year. The stonefly nymphs referred to as "golden stones" are relatively large - most of my stonefly nymphs are about an inch in length not counting the tails. I do generally prefer a larger nymph early in the year and smaller ones during the summer/fall but this is more due to water clarity and the fact that I fish over more stockies in spring vs wild trout in the summer/fall. We do have some "giant stones" here in PA (a different species) although they are fairly rare in my experience. These stoneflies can be a couple inches in length but are more common out West, hence the popularity of very large, black stonefly nymphs in the West. Here in PA I'd stick to stonefly nymphs from about half an inch to one inch (not inc the tail).
 
Hodge36 wrote:
There are dry fly stoneflies? I have seen some floating on the top of the water, but I did't know there where dries for that.

They hang out by the stream, and the trout know about them, almost like terrestrials. When you know they are around, blind cast stonefly dries. I like stimulators for that.

They also lay their eggs on the surface of the water, which presents good dry fly fishing as well.
 
JayL......why am i not surprised that you know what i'm talking about? Even though i think you prefer to fish the sunken versions to imitate the nymphs (when we traded some flies at the jam those you gave me , which all worked well by the way , were IMO all imitations of the green drake in various non=adult stages , from nymphs to pre- dun , pre-adult , just before hatching) i'm not against fishing below the surface , i learned how to do that long before i could cast a decent dry fly , it just seems that alot of you folks completely forget about the adult , dry fly versions , which if you take the oppertunity to fish them when they are present , provide a much more interesting and exciting experience. In Pa in general the first major dry fly opperunity on most of our streams is the little black/brown stonefly that appears sometimes as early as late Feb. and right now Oct. Nov you can still find various adult stoneflies in the air around trout streams (there is one the locals here in western Pa call the Yellow Sally which lasts almost into the winter) a good version of an elk or deer hair caddis in the right size will provide a good imitation of a stonefly adult , impart a little movement or sometimes alot of movement and Wham! I'm sorry folks but catching them on the top is just so much more fun for me I had to say it. Right now on the Breeches and other good streams a cinnamon sedge will bring em up and not just stockies either.
 
Knowing when to use stonefly dries or nymphs is not really rocket science is it fellas? I mean a lot of it comes down to what are you observing on the stream, at the moment you are fishing? IMO, the simple act of observation is extremely important to the competent fly angler. Jkilroy, yes in streams where they occur stonefly nymphs are widely available year round as they have long life cycles. Wherever they're in abundance the nymphs are an important food source throughout the year. It's important to carry several sizes of blacks and browns especially from large #6 to tiny #16 or 18 (for little blackstonefies in late February/March.) I tend to carry golden stones in mostly bigger sizes like #6, #8, & #10.

Most stoneflies emerge after dark, or on very over cast days at times. Stonefly nymphs crawl out of the water to emerge on rocks and shoreline so emerging adults aren't often heavily available to fish, but in deeper runs they may emerge in the water. Stripping nymphs slowly towards the shore can be deadly. Very slowly dead drifting a big black or brown stonefly nymph down deep in winter can also be very effective. However, adult stoneflies are poor flyers and when they return to lay their eggs on the water they become much more available to trout. If you're on the stream & begin to observe numerous adults "crash-landing" on the stream its a good time to switch to a Stimulator, Madam X, etc. when the adults return to the water the trout will often respond very aggressively and it can make for some very exciting and somewhat "easy" dry fly fishing. It's not like a steady, reliable dry fly hatch but when you're lucky enough to be on the water when it happens the fishing can be incredible, and often big fish too. What's more is that presentation is a cinch, no delicate casts. You actually want to really splash that stimulator onto the surface when you cast it... and be ready! My best day ever on Big Fishing Creek was when the large golden stonefly adults were returning to lay eggs and I caught it just right one late June afternoon/evening. For several hours I splashed big #6 & 8 yellow stimulators & golden stone dry patterns and caught wild brown after wild brown. The smallest fish being an 11" and all the others being 14" or better. I've had really good days with stoneflies, nymphs and dries (usually at different times for each), on the Lehigh and Brodhead too and several other streams and rivers in the Northeast & New England.

Stoneflies are probably on of my favorite food sources to fish. I'm particularly fond of the golden stones.
 
Since I'm going to be up on Pine Creek I'm wondering what to expect as far as stoneflies, size, color, patterns. I catch a lot of trout on them in black. I tied a bunch the other year and they all got used up within a month or two.
 

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I'll never understand, that seems like alot of work jsut to leave 'em on every boulder I stumble over in the water.
 
It's actually not that complicated of a pattern the way he tied it. I just really like the coloUr of it and the legs. Better than the round rubber legs.
 
Nice Flies Jake!!
Where did you find that pattern at? Is it your own?
I'd like to tie some of those. 🙂
 
I don't really know what I'm doing. I have a book on tying. It goes through the basics. Some of the stuff I tie is complete garbage. When I tie something that looks good I just keep tying it the same way. I'm getting good at nymphs and streamers though. I cannot tie dries very well, especially small ones. The hackle gives me fits.

For those ones all I used was brown thread, black dubbing, a bead on the one, and a tan and black turkey feather for the back and legs.
 
Jake, those are some absolute killer looking stones! Really great ties! One thing with stones, the body is wider than it is tall, but I haven't had problems with flies with more of a round shape as opposed to the flatter body.

As for your dry fly issues. Obvious suggestion first-take a tying class. You know the routine, find your favorite fly shop, TU or fishing club and sign up. The other suggestion is to tie larger patterns to get the basics down and keep working your way down to smaller files. Stimulators might be a good place to start and they can double as stones.
 
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