Big Trout? Stream or River

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From the discission on the thread about Big Fishing Creek and big fish; where do you catch the biggest wild trout in PA?

I'll start with the Delaware River as the place I catch the biggest trout, overall.
 
It would have to be Spring creek for me, over the years I've caught 3 or 4 fish over 20.

PaulG
 
The largest trout I've caught this year have all been in SE PA, the Little Lehigh gave up a 20 inch brown in Sept and a couple of big rainbows. And there is a medium sized limestone stream near my home where I catch very big brookies, the biggest I've caught there was 17 inches, but I've seen larger.
I've seen some very big brwons in the Perkiomen Watershed, but not recently.
When I used to fish the Delaware River I'd caught some big bows and an occassional big brown, the largest bow I caught there was about 24 inches at Lordville, but I don't fish there now.
Then there are a couple of mountain freestone streams I've cuaght 14 inch brookies or browns in.
 
For me, there is no doubt the most big fish are in the Delaware. For numbers caught, it is Spring Creek.
 
I'm not sure how you are defining "big trout" but to put those big trout in perspective about 1.5 percent of the states' wild brook trout exceed 9 inches and about 1.5 percent of the state's wild brown trout exceed 16 inches. I am only talking about stream bred fish. I don't have comparable info. for rainbows.

There is one relatively small wild brown trout stream in Central Pa. that used to be the state's best large brown trout stream, at least through the late 1970's and 1980's. I am no longer certain that it holds the same size fish (20 inchers relatively common in comparison to other wild trout streams) or holds them in the former great abundance. I have only ever seen that stream mentioned once on this board and its mention was relative to a completely different topic. No, I am not giving up the name in case it is still that good. I will say, however, that it was never popular with fly anglers. It was heavily fished by bait anglers (and an occasional fly - primarily nymphs - and lure fisherman) and harvest did not seem to harm the abundance of large fish insofar as one could tell with such an inefficient tool as a fishing rod. These big fish were very experienced and catching them was a challenge...seeing them follow your lure, and there-by conducting a crude inventory over a few miles of stream was not. Heavy fishing pressure on this stream had little impact on their abundance; the big fish habitat was excellent, and just imagine this: no special regs were necessary.
 
The two largest brown trout I've ever caught, both wild, came from small (jump across in some places) freestone streams in NE PA and NW PA. The latter has one of the highest concentrations of large wild browns that I know of and there are some other sleeper streams around it. That being said, I've never fished the larger waters mentioned (Delaware, Spring Creek, Lehigh, etc.), so it's hard to discount them as having the higher concentration of big fish. But I prefer ditch size streams to fish in..

The largest wild brookie I've seen caught came from a stream in Lancaster County - 17".. Not caught by me, but a friend I was with.
 
Mike.
I'm pretty sure sure I know which stream you're referring to (it's not Spruce Creek). I used to fish it fairly frequently and don't think I ever saw another fly fisherman on it. It produced a lot of 20+" browns to bait guys, mostly at night. The wild browns in this creek were also the most beautifully colored fish I have seen in this state. While this particular stream held a lot of big fish I continue to believe that it ought to be put under catch and release regs. Nevertheless, even with harvest, it did continue to produce some big fish even though it was a very small creek.
 
FI: You're correct; it is not Spruce Creek. I did not reveal the stream's name because those anglers who are the true devotees to this stream largely specialize in catching big browns in the evening and occasionally at night and probably appreciate not having additional anglers around to put the fish down. I wouldn't want to rain on their parade.
 
Mike wrote: “about 1.5 percent of the states' wild brook trout exceed 9 inches”


No doubt this is true Mike, why is that? Is because of the type of streams they are now forced to inhabit, which are for the most part smaller, more acidic, and less fertile headwaters of freestone streams, or is the genetics of the fish? Also, I understand that their lifespan is not very long, one or two years average and five years is the upper limit. Again, is that true of the species, is it because of the genetics of the remaining PA brook trout, or is it their present habitat? If brook trout inhabited limestone streams under more ideal conditions, how much larger would they grow? Thanks.
 
Lower Delaware Tiger 27", Sea Run Brown 30"
 
Large brook trout for me are anything over 12 inches. mike you know some of the streams I fish and you know I ain't messin with you. For me a large brown would be over 16 inches. There are loads of streams with browns up to 14 inches. But to find a stream with a good number of browns over that size is a rare discovery. BTW you answered your own comment about revealing the stream, for sure if you posted the name the numbers of anglers would go up and the number of large fish would go down. There are plenty of streams with good numbers of trout that are seldom fished and if you fish them carefully will give up large trout, but many would never hold up to the increased pressure whether it is due to harvest or other factors, I suspect other factors, many streams known to have good populations of large trout often see the large trout decrease after special regs are instituted.
 
Biggest trout i've ever caught on a fly was 2 weeks ago on Elk Creek. 31" 12lb brown trout. The next two biggest were a 25" and a 27" brown i caught 10 minutes apart on the Schuylkill River. I've caught probably a dozen or so trout over 20 inches in the Schuylkill River. And like you guys were saying earlier about another stream, you never see another fishermen on it. Largest wild brookies i've ever seen or caught come from a class A in Lycoming county. Its a far hike but i know of a succession of really deep holes on a particular class A that hold 16-18 inch wild brooks and a few 20+ wild browns. Havent had the pleasure of hooking any yet, but i'm by now means done trying.
 
This question really deserves categories.

Erie is excluded for obvious reasons.

But then all of your genuinely big waters that stay cold produce impressive average size, and a large portion of lunkers. The Big D, the Lehigh, the Allegheny (below Kinzua), and I suppose you could throw the Yough in there. In many cases these aren't wild fish, but fingerling stocked or held over for years, I think that counts.

Then you got your limestoners. I won't name names, but there's a high number of lunkers in many of them, some more than others. Those lunkers may or may not surpass the lunkers in the streams, err rivers, mentioned above, but I don't think the average size compares.

And then you have the small stream fishing, sometimes brookie streams and sometimes stocked. The occasional big brown is in there, and these fish are true trophies in that they dwarf all of the other fish around them. They aren't the top end of the size distribution, they're on a separate curve compared to the rest of the stream. I haven't focused on these fish very much, so I'm no expert. But where I've seen them they seem to have something in common. They are in, or near, the truly marginal area of a high productivity bigger water. I say "truly" marginal, because sometimes we use the term marginal when we really mean warmwater/seasonal fishery, but those fisheries rarely produce big fish. No, I'm talking about the iffy area, the lower end of true year round trout water, or nearby tributaries which act as summertime sanctuaries. This water has plenty of food due to size, but few trout because there just isn't enough cold spots to support a high population. As a result, when the water temp is optimum for trout (and bass ain't feeding then), the few trout there are get it all to themselves to gorge.
 
Mike,

How many wild brook trout have you measured in your career that eclipsed the 10 or 11 inch mark? a bunch or a few?

pcray- I agree with the comment that there a alot of big fish in the marginal/ transitional zone in some systems. It takes some faith to fish these areas but they can be very rewarding.
 
Largest for me is Spring Creek.

eballat, I think I know what stream you are talking about. I have seen fish well over 18" in such a tiny stream and loads of tehm too. A buddy and I walked up on a hole and saw atleast 5 fish over 16" and most being brookies. I would like to make it back, but I think we hiked 12 miles that day and it was hot.

All of the big (12" +) brookies I've caught have been with in 300 yards of the mouth of a good brookie stream. I'm guessing just over grew the stream.
 
Biggest trout for mean seen and caught would be Bald Eagle Creek and not where they stock it will not say which part but there are HUGE brownies and also brookies in there saw a guy that caught one with a huge chub in his mouth was shocked to see the size of the trout and also the chub caught the the biggest trout there on 1st day of bow season 6 years ago was low and shallow. have seen alot of large trout caught and ahve also caught on Spring Creek, Fishing Creek, and Penns Creek.
 
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