VINNYT, try some Orvis Mirage floro., i swear by it not at it. Mono is not mono any longer, the variations in formulas are many and in any product manufacturing , production cost is the number you always look to crunch. I have used many many brands, from around the world and i will stand with Orvis Mirage, it has a natural stretch along with great quality control and its Orvis and that says alot.