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First Time for Steelhead this Fall

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I have been invited to go to the Salmon River in NY for a Steelhead weekend in late October. Most of the guys in the group fish spinning equipment. I may start out with spinning gear as well. But, I would like to try my luck with fly gear. I don't really know much about this and would like any input you guys can provide about gear, techniques and patterns. Thanks!

Posted on: 2012/7/25 14:50


Re: First Time for Steelhead this Fall

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I use a 10' 7wt rod that is a mid flex. An Orvis TLS. It is a good steelhead rod. At that time of year you would probably be better off with an 8wt because of the Salmon.

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I use a 9 ft 8 wt and it handles the kings just fine. Bounce egg patterns on the bottom or swing streamers, that seems to work best for me.

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Re: First Time for Steelhead this Fall

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Thanks for the responses. I have a few follow up questions.

What size and color eggs seem to work well for you?

Do you fish them dead drift under an indicator?

What kind of streamers do you like?

Posted on: 2012/7/26 13:32


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Buggers and slumpbusters are good for swinging, orange and yellow are good colors. If the water is low and clear then more natural colors will work, like white and brown.

Egg size varies on conditions/water color. When the water is stained then you can use larger eggs. Size 10 and 12 are good sizes, orange, yellow, amber, red are good colors. Dead drifted under a thingamabobber. It is important that the offering is ticking the bottom.

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I agree with beeber2. I would also recommend that you stop in at Fat Nancy's and ask them about the egg color and size. They were able to set me up with the right size and color and they even told me how to rig them.
Also stone flies. Most of the stones I saw up there were black in color.

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Re: First Time for Steelhead this Fall

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get ready to get addicted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted on: 2012/7/27 13:12


Re: First Time for Steelhead this Fall

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If you tie, get some glo-bug yarn and tie some eggs and sucker spawn. The materials are cheap and they are easy to tie once you do a couple. I have seen packs of assorted color glo-bug yarn which would be a good way to get started. I also use size 10 scud hooks for these as I loose more Steelhead to the hook not getting deep enough than breaking off.

My nymph rig is usually a 9 foot leader with a 3x florocarbon tippet and a sucker spawn as my top fly and an 18" piece of 3x florocarbon tied off of the bend and a stonefly at the end. Preferably a weighted stonefly nymph. I add weight above the Suckerspawn to get the flies to bounce or roll on the bottom. You want a dead drift.

Keep adjusting your weight so your flies are coming back to you slower than the surface current and change flies if you are not getting any takes. One day they like pink and the next peach. If you were with other flyfishers you could each rig with different colors and go from there. Any of your trout flies will also work including Hare's ears, Prince Nymphs, etc. Black stone flies in size 14 to 8 just seem to be a mainstay.

It is really just trout fishing but where knee deep pockets are nice trout water, Steelhead holes start at waist deep.

I will second the rods suggested and add that a reel with a good drag that is set light is a big asset. Just let them run and "get on the reel" Don't hold the line or they will break you off. Maybe someone you know can lend you a rod and reel for your first trip. You won't regret going.

Good luck,

Shock

Posted on: 2012/7/27 21:37


Re: First Time for Steelhead this Fall

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Thanks to all who responded to my request for information. I feel I have a lot of good suggestions to get started in the right directions. Since most of my trout fishing is with nymphs, I should be in pretty good shape with the techniques. I have a 9' 7 wt. rod that I use for Smallies on the river. I plan to use that rod for this trip. I will start getting a Steelhead Fly box put together.
Thanks again fellas!

Posted on: 2012/8/5 16:38


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Quote:

Shock wrote:


My nymph rig is usually a 9 foot leader with a 3x florocarbon tippet and a sucker spawn as my top fly and an 18" piece of 3x florocarbon tied off of the bend and a stonefly at the end. Preferably a weighted stonefly nymph. I add weight above the Suckerspawn to get the flies to bounce or roll on the bottom. You want a dead drift.

Shock


Only 1 fly allowed in SR. Just an FYI.

Posted on: 2012/8/6 16:06


Re: First Time for Steelhead this Fall

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I forgot about that. I don't believe NY allows lead sinkers either.

In NY, I usually fish the Catt. and stick to the Reservation water where, thankfully, you can use more than one fly.

Are dry-droppers allowed in NY state or is the one fly specifically for Steelhead and Salmon?

Shock

Posted on: 2012/8/7 14:26


Re: First Time for Steelhead this Fall

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Shock,

I don't believe slinkies are allowed in the fly zones. The tribs don't allow dry dropper for lake run fish.

Posted on: 2012/8/7 16:18


Re: First Time for Steelhead this Fall

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Excuse my ignorance, I don't know what a slinkie is in reference to fishing. I admit I am not always up on things.

Maybe I should have said lead split shot are not allowed in NY.

Just bringing it up for anyone head up your way so they are prepared with the non-toxic version because we are still allowed to use lead in PA, at least for now.

Thanks,

Shock

Posted on: 2012/8/7 21:57


Re: First Time for Steelhead this Fall

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While we are on the subject of restrictions in NY, do they allow felt soled waders?

Posted on: 2012/8/8 10:54


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Felt soles are fine. 1 fly only. Don't worry about slinkies.


Check out my blog I had posted on this site for yarn eggs. A few techniques on there for a more sturdy egg.

http://www.paflyfish.com/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=179

My favorite colors for steelhead are all salmon, egg with a salmon dot, blue with a pink dot, and blood red.

Try sucker spawn , estaz and crystal meth up there too. I do really well in Erie later in the season on basic nymphs on steelhead. Princes, Hares ears, pheasant tails.

Check out the events forum for a Steelhead JAM in Erie in the Fall. You'll have a bunch of seasoned guys up there to ask questions and have some hands on help.


Ryan

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