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Re: First Time for Steelhead this Fall

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I have zero experience on the SR, and most of mine is in PA. But generally, getting a good dead drift is more important than it is with regular trout. And of course egg patterns are much more important, the go-to rather than the highly situational "junk" fly. But other than that, it really is a lot like regular trout fishing.

Target "active" fish if you can. It's hard to leave that pack of 20 that's sitting and so visible down deep in the slow spot. But there's a handful of more active fish that you didn't see in the current at the head and tail. They're the ones that will hit. Be willing to walk. Tribs are often really crowded, but if you walk a ways, you can find "less" crowded areas (meaning just normal crowded by other standards), and unmolested fish.

I agree on the switch colors part. It's amazing how commonly you fish for a while with nothing, change colors, and bam. Later, you change again, and bam. Peach and white are probably my overall best, but you never know. Have seen salmon, hot red, chartreuse, and even blue be the ticket!

We can give you hints on the fight. Don't hold your line, keep amount of slack to a minimum, and get it on the reel as quickly as possible. Side pressure. Follow the fish if he runs up or down. But your going to lose your first one. He's gonna take off soon after you set the hook, you won't be ready for the quickness and power, and he'll either throw it or snap you off. It's just the way it is.

Posted on: 2012/8/8 15:46


Re: First Time for Steelhead this Fall

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What are the water temps like on the Salmon River at the end of October? Just wondering whether to plan to take a pair of neopreme waders to stay warm. Also, what is the stream bed like? Studded soles needed?

Posted on: 2012/8/27 9:12


Re: First Time for Steelhead this Fall

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Water temps depend on weather. But by the end of october there going to be cold. Studs and cleats are a MUST! Let me repeat this if you do not have wader boots with cleats or studs you are going to be miserable. Not to mention there is a certain amount of danger involved. At the least have felt soles and never leave home without you're wading staff and belt. Im not trying to scare anyone but the Salmon River is one of the hardest rivers to wade in, the rocks are like ice and the currents are swift.

I have said this on here before but the most effective "fly" on the salmon river for steelhead and browns is (cough) beads. Im sorry here but fellas but they just flat out fish glo bugs are sucker spawns. It isn't true fly fishing but heck nothing you do up there is. Just ask the fellas in the tackle shops what the best method is they will tell you.

Posted on: 2012/8/28 17:03


Re: First Time for Steelhead this Fall

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For egg patterns I would suggest checking the actual size of the egg not just going by hook size...some people tie larger/smaller eggs on different size hooks.
A 10mm egg is about the average, esp after the kings have spawned. You might be able to get away with 12mm for the early/fresh fish. If they get picky try going smaller to 8mm. As the season goes on the browns will spawn too and their eggs are smaller. At the end of Oct the king run should be past its peak and there will be tons of eggs in the water.
Trike23, uh oh the bead discussion...hope no one freaks out haha. I heard calling it the "Alaska rig" eases the convo a bit. I'm considering this year though, so sick of tying glo bugs which I can't hardly consider a fly either.

I often ditch the indicator/suspender and just tight line nymph. The steelies hold in some incredibly fast water and you need weight to get down. I'm not too good at this in typically trout water but with the extra weight on its easier to feel it tick the bottom/rocks. It seems like the fish hook themselves a lot but I get in the "zone" where the hook set might be a subconscious reaction.

Low light (sun up/down) is always a good bet. It can be worth it to stand in the dark for while to hold your spot. You have to wait as fishing in the dark is not permitted. Check the spots along the bank first as fish will hold there, especially with high flows.

Its a good idea to have a plan for when you hook a fish. The steelies are incredibly powerful. You're chances of yanking them up through strong currents are slim to none. If you can walk it out and get downstream of the fish it easier to land them in them below where hopefully there's some slower water.

I would definitely second the studded boot. I got away with it for a while but got stuck one day and Beeber had to save me in the middle of a fast run...my pride was somewhat tarnished (haha)


Posted on: 2012/8/29 13:28


Re: First Time for Steelhead this Fall

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Being a newbie to this, I need some explanation. What do you mean when you say the most effective "fly" is a bead? What is the Alaska rig? Are you referring to a glo-bug tied with a bead head or is this a "fly" that consists of just a bead?

Posted on: 2012/8/29 13:56


Re: First Time for Steelhead this Fall

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A bead is a bead and isn't attached directly to the hook. The "Alaska rig" is the bead on the leader about 2-3" away from the hook. This also a point of contention, as some believe it will be condusive to foul hooking...the bead believers apparently disagree and claim it causes less gut hooks than glo bugs.

Posted on: 2012/8/30 13:48


Re: First Time for Steelhead this Fall

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I have NEVER gut hooked a fish with a glo bug. I don't think I've ever seen one either.

The trick to these fish is that there is none. Bring lots of flies in many different types. 3-4 different styles of eggs in about 10 colors each. Nymphs, streamers etc in many different colors. They'll turn off one pattern and onto the next pretty often. Don't be afraid to change.

One good piece of advise is to fish the faster water. The fish are active there and have a better possibility of taking a fly.

Bring lots of weight, and learn to fight a fish. Hooking one is great, but actually landing it is another story. A fish running on you needs to have "side pressure" put on it. Turn your rod parallel to the water to either of your sides to attempt to turn it's head. It's a game of learning through experience, but no one is perfect and many fish are lost after hooked.

Most of all.... HAVE FUN!


Ryan

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Re: First Time for Steelhead this Fall

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Read up on these:
Great Lakes Tributaries Regulations
http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/31420.html

Posted on: 2012/9/12 19:03


Re: First Time for Steelhead this Fall

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So, I went to SR a few years ago for my first Steel Head trip. I used an old Cortland 7wt and the guys I went with all used fly rods with running line and the slinkies and various flies/egg patterns.
I did catch my first steel using this set up, but not a fan of the chuck and duck to get the fly down on the bottom. I won't expand on how much I hate the crowd, as that will most likely be agreed to by most.
On SR, is it possible to use a thingamabobber and still get the fly deep enough? The water is often pretty deep and moving. The crowd often makes it tough to cast far up to let the fly sink and too much weight makes it hard for me to cast. I saw an earlier post about using the bobber and was wondering how those that use it actually do it...technique?
I was asked to go again in Nov, but not sure I want to chuck and duck a running line, unless that is the best tecknique. Any thoughts or opinions are certainle welcome.
Very good thread to read through by the way, thanks.

Posted on: 2012/9/19 7:18


Re: First Time for Steelhead this Fall

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By bead, they mean little plastic beads like you'd see on a homemade necklace. Ranging from pearl size to smaller. They come in various colors and are used as egg imitations. Can buy your flies at Michaels, lol.

People tend to make their glo-bugs too big. Real eggs are small. They also probably sink better than soft materials like glo-bug yarn. IMO that's probably part of their secret.

Yeah, the Alaska rig is having the bead a few inches up the line, then a bare hook trailing. The theory is that the fish bites the bead, then when you set, you pull the hook through it's mouth, either hooking the outside or inside corner of the mouth. You can use bigger hooks with small beads that way, as well as things like circle hooks, and you tend to hook up in the corners of the mouth where there's less danger of him throwing the hook during the fight or rubbing his teeth on the line.

The criticism is that it's a way to snag fish. If fish moves out of the way of the imitation, he may move into the hook. Also, some argue that, even if the fish hit the bead, if the hook enters the outside of the mouth it is foul hooked and therefore unsporting.

Posted on: 2012/9/19 9:27


Re: First Time for Steelhead this Fall

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Now call me crazy but if you wanted to be crafty, why not use a jelly egg, a few wraps of lead wire, and make a blood spot egg? Ya know giving the egg a nucleus? Not a lot of weight but would get it to the bottom faster and keep it there a bit better...

Posted on: 2012/9/19 18:35


Re: First Time for Steelhead this Fall

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Last year I made a few hot glue eggs. Just put a small red bead on a hook and covered it in hot glue. Caught a few steelies on it.

Just make sure your hook gap is big enough. Had a few I couldn't use because the glue filled in most of the gap.

Posted on: 2012/9/21 12:40
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