That's a beautiful big fish Brian. I'm jealous. What did you catch him on? How did he fight? Would you mind saying what stream you caught him in?
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Paflyfish Fall Meetups and Jams 2011
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Wulff man thanks for the comment. This fish was caught on a hares ear nynph#14 on Valley creek. The fight on light fly tackle lets just say was a 10.
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Now I'm really jealous. Well there's a lesson to those who say they only see small trout in Valley. You da man!
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If you are looking to keep up with your fly fishing this fall there many opportunities to meet up with some fellow anglers from all corners of the region. This might even be an opportunity to try something new like steelhead, surf fly fishing or if you want just some fall stocked trout we have that too. So don't put away your flies just yet.
The gang at Paflyfish are busy planing several different jams and meetups. These are some very cool opportunities to catch up with some friends, extend the season and get some traveling in across the region.
Each of these events has a link to the event thread in the forum for more details.
Stockoberfeast - Saturday, October 15th
Fadeaway263 is organizing this opportunity to catch some fall stocked trout at Ridley Creek State Park in SE Pennsylvania. Plans are to meet up at 9:00 am in the lower left corner area of the Colonial Plantation parking lot. The PFBC helps keep the season going with some fall trout stockings. More details here.
Saltwater Jersey Jam - October 21-22
Fishidiot is teeing up the first of two Saltwater Jams this Fall at Island Beach State Park in New Jersey. Current plans are to meet on Friday evening and head out early Saturday morning for some surf fishing. Fishidiot will be offering some tips and reviewing the fundamentals of surf fly fishing for those just getting started. Read more about this jam in the Announcements and Events Forum here.
3rd Annual Paflyfish Erie Steelhead JAM - November 11-13
I think Ryguyfi is so excited about this Jam he has been planning this meet-up since January. Last year there were over 30 anglers from Paflyfish that met for weekend in Erie. The fall steelhead fishing is always a unique fly fishing opportunity and if you wanted to give this a try the Annual Steelhead Jam is fun way of doing it. Most of the groups activities are centered around Folly's End Campground. Evening plans include a dinner at the Avonia Tavern when the guys are not out fishing. There are plenty of experienced folks in the forum to help figure our what to expect and what to bring along. More details and suggested travel plans are in the forum here.
Sandy Hook Salt Jam - November 13
For those how can't join the crew in October, Fredrick is organizing another saltwater fly fishing meetup on Sunday, November 13 at Sandy Hook, NJ. Some really good details about gear and some discounted fly rods in the thread here.
Paflyfish Eastern Fly Tying Mini Jam - December 17
If you are an avid tier, just getting started or looking to hang-out with some fly fishing anglers, Heritage-Angler is putting together this fly tying event the afternoon of Saturday, December 17 from 1-5. After the an afternoon of tying, Heritage-Angler will be leading the crew over to to Riverwalck's Saloon for dinner and refreshments. Check the forum here for more details.
Please share with these organizers your questions and intention on attending. It will help them and you in making these meet-ups successful. Take advantage of the Paflyfish forums to ask questions about locations, carpooling, travel plans, flies and gear to help get you going on these trips.
We really have a great community of anglers here that help put these events together and are also incredibly knowledgeable. I want to thank all the organizers for bringing these meetups together!
Just a reminder for event organizers please take advantage when announcing your events in the Announcements and Events Forum.
That guy in the pic is a stud
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That guy in the pic is a stud
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That guy in the pic is a stud
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And he hardly looks disgruntled. Must be the salt-water humidity.
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And he hardly looks disgruntled. Must be the salt-water humidity.
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And he hardly looks disgruntled. Must be the salt-water humidity.
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Is this a test or a joke? Centerpins are for guys who get frustrated not being able to get nice and long drag free floats when chasing steelhead. I have a nice set-up but seldom use it.
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Actually wbranch, What I just learned from my Commissioner is that it is a terrible mistake and he is encouraging us to comment on the proposal to maintain the use of flyline as part of the Fly Fishing Only Regulation. I suppose it couldn't hurt to allow a lengthinging of the leader to afford for Euro-nymphing though, but Flyline MUST remain a part of the regulation to maintain the integrity of flyfishing in these areas.
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Maurice,
Well anyone who thinks that center pinning is the same as traditional fly fishing is unread and naïve. They are two entirely different approaches to fishing. One, the fly rod, casts an unweighted fly via a weighted line. The center pin concept casts a lure/bait/fly via a nylon, or synthetic woven line, within a free spooling reel with a float and weights to provide momentum to effect a cast.
Well anyone who thinks that center pinning is the same as traditional fly fishing is unread and naïve. They are two entirely different approaches to fishing. One, the fly rod, casts an unweighted fly via a weighted line. The center pin concept casts a lure/bait/fly via a nylon, or synthetic woven line, within a free spooling reel with a float and weights to provide momentum to effect a cast.
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"....to maintain the use of flyline as part of the Fly Fishing Only Regulation. I suppose it couldn't hurt to allow a lengthinging of the leader to afford for Euro-nymphing though, but Flyline MUST remain a part of the regulation to maintain the integrity of flyfishing in these areas."
So if somebody winds 100 feet of fly line on the reel, and then a 200 foot leader, is that maintaining the use of fly line, and part of the integrity of fly fishing?
Who determines the max length of leader, and how? No more than a rod length? Double that? Or some other random, arbitrary length?
Should a euro-nympher *have* to have traditional fly line on/in the water, or is it OK if the butt of his leader is still wrapped on the reel? Is it really traditional fly fishing if he simply allows gravity to do the work, with the fly hanging straight down on nothing but leader?
Should all weight, both split shot and weighted flies, be banned, so that the fly can *only* be propelled by the weight of the fly line?
I know there are a lot of emotions in this, but you need to look at what you are actually saying.
So if somebody winds 100 feet of fly line on the reel, and then a 200 foot leader, is that maintaining the use of fly line, and part of the integrity of fly fishing?
Who determines the max length of leader, and how? No more than a rod length? Double that? Or some other random, arbitrary length?
Should a euro-nympher *have* to have traditional fly line on/in the water, or is it OK if the butt of his leader is still wrapped on the reel? Is it really traditional fly fishing if he simply allows gravity to do the work, with the fly hanging straight down on nothing but leader?
Should all weight, both split shot and weighted flies, be banned, so that the fly can *only* be propelled by the weight of the fly line?
I know there are a lot of emotions in this, but you need to look at what you are actually saying.
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Maurice,
"he is encouraging us to comment on the proposal to maintain the use of flyline as part of the Fly Fishing Only Regulation."
When the Commissioner says "to maintain the use of flyline as part of the Fly Fishing Only Regulation" does he mean that to obey the letter of the law that an actual cast be made where some of the fly line is required and some of the line is laying on the water?
Even prior to the advent of the Euro nymph techniques where long leaders are the very essence of the technique I, and others, were simply high stick nymphing where little, if any, fly line was on the water and the "cast" was pretty much just lifting the leader, flies, and possibly shot up to the surface and just flipping it back out into the flow and the fly line had no effect, or aid, to the "cast". Do you know the original reasoning about limiting the length of the leader to 18 feet?
Here is the statement from the PFBC web site;
"Fishing must be done with tackle limited to fly rods, fly reels and fly line with a maximum of 18 feet in leader material or monofilament line attached. Spinning, spincast and casting rods and reels are prohibited."
You can see that center pin tackle is not mentioned and likely because when the regulations were written the authors may have been unaware of this technique even though pinning has been used in England for a century.
"he is encouraging us to comment on the proposal to maintain the use of flyline as part of the Fly Fishing Only Regulation."
When the Commissioner says "to maintain the use of flyline as part of the Fly Fishing Only Regulation" does he mean that to obey the letter of the law that an actual cast be made where some of the fly line is required and some of the line is laying on the water?
Even prior to the advent of the Euro nymph techniques where long leaders are the very essence of the technique I, and others, were simply high stick nymphing where little, if any, fly line was on the water and the "cast" was pretty much just lifting the leader, flies, and possibly shot up to the surface and just flipping it back out into the flow and the fly line had no effect, or aid, to the "cast". Do you know the original reasoning about limiting the length of the leader to 18 feet?
Here is the statement from the PFBC web site;
"Fishing must be done with tackle limited to fly rods, fly reels and fly line with a maximum of 18 feet in leader material or monofilament line attached. Spinning, spincast and casting rods and reels are prohibited."
You can see that center pin tackle is not mentioned and likely because when the regulations were written the authors may have been unaware of this technique even though pinning has been used in England for a century.
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First, let me say that my issue with this is only that Pinning is not flyfishing and that in order to include it it would it seem reasonable to change the name of the regulation.
With that said, the Commissioners impression is that the use of centerpinning as a justification was indeed a mistake that had not been caught when the proposal was crafted.
So, I would recommend in your comment you include YOUR wish to agree with or disagree with the proposal and to what degree.
ie; Maintain the langusge as is,
or some modification of the language that you seem to feel is necessary to include whatever you are favoring.
My particular comment indicated Keeping Fly Line in there and as ColdBore pointed out could be construed to include Centerpin gear as long as they had a handful in their pocket...however, the rods and reels ARE NOT within Regs IMHO so as stated above, I think the centerpinning was a SNAFU for justification purposes.
We may see this just evaporate but it will help if we let them know we are watching and are interested.
I am not against Centerpinning Fishing, Nor do I feel it is Flyfishing. Or that this reg if passed would open a floodgate of Centerpinners to the Fly areas. So, My comment reflected that.
So if you choose to include specific lengths of leaders, that is your choice but I felt that they could be given the Latitude so long as it provided a lock on the tackle combo of Fly Reel, Fly Rod and Fly Line.
With that said, the Commissioners impression is that the use of centerpinning as a justification was indeed a mistake that had not been caught when the proposal was crafted.
So, I would recommend in your comment you include YOUR wish to agree with or disagree with the proposal and to what degree.
ie; Maintain the langusge as is,
or some modification of the language that you seem to feel is necessary to include whatever you are favoring.
My particular comment indicated Keeping Fly Line in there and as ColdBore pointed out could be construed to include Centerpin gear as long as they had a handful in their pocket...however, the rods and reels ARE NOT within Regs IMHO so as stated above, I think the centerpinning was a SNAFU for justification purposes.
We may see this just evaporate but it will help if we let them know we are watching and are interested.
I am not against Centerpinning Fishing, Nor do I feel it is Flyfishing. Or that this reg if passed would open a floodgate of Centerpinners to the Fly areas. So, My comment reflected that.
So if you choose to include specific lengths of leaders, that is your choice but I felt that they could be given the Latitude so long as it provided a lock on the tackle combo of Fly Reel, Fly Rod and Fly Line.
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Maurice,
"My particular comment indicated Keeping Fly Line in there and as ColdBore pointed out could be construed to include Centerpin gear as long as they had a handful in their pocket...however, the rods and reels ARE NOT within Regs IMHO so as stated above, I think the centerpinning was a SNAFU for justification purposes.
We may see this just evaporate but it will help if we let them know we are watching and are interested.
I am not against Centerpinning Fishing, Nor do I feel it is Flyfishing. Or that this reg if passed would open a floodgate of Centerpinners to the Fly areas. So, My comment reflected that.
So if you choose to include specific lengths of leaders, that is your choice but I felt that they could be given the Latitude so long as it provided a lock on the tackle combo of Fly Reel, Fly Rod and Fly Line."
You are preaching to the choir. Believe me I'm not a champion of centerpinning on any traditionally recognized fly only water. My comments were solely meant to explain the differences between what you and I would normally associate as fly fishing and the tackle used when one pins. That is all, nothing more. I have never pinned, nor would I want to pin, on any fly water. Actually the only place I pin is on the creeks that enter Lake Erie and then usually only in the long pools, like Cascade, below Uncle John's, where it is very difficult to get a drag free float in the holding water.
While I do know guys, and have seen others, who use flies on their pin setups I don't believe any one of them would seriously consider that it is true fly fishing in the context of using a fly line to effect the cast of an unweighted fly. If someone puts a clear bubble on a spin rod and ties a fly on the end of the leader they may have a fly in the water but since their line is either monofilament, or fluorocarbon, and far exceeds the 18' as noted in the regulations then it is not considered fly fishing. The concept of center pining is no different.
"My particular comment indicated Keeping Fly Line in there and as ColdBore pointed out could be construed to include Centerpin gear as long as they had a handful in their pocket...however, the rods and reels ARE NOT within Regs IMHO so as stated above, I think the centerpinning was a SNAFU for justification purposes.
We may see this just evaporate but it will help if we let them know we are watching and are interested.
I am not against Centerpinning Fishing, Nor do I feel it is Flyfishing. Or that this reg if passed would open a floodgate of Centerpinners to the Fly areas. So, My comment reflected that.
So if you choose to include specific lengths of leaders, that is your choice but I felt that they could be given the Latitude so long as it provided a lock on the tackle combo of Fly Reel, Fly Rod and Fly Line."
You are preaching to the choir. Believe me I'm not a champion of centerpinning on any traditionally recognized fly only water. My comments were solely meant to explain the differences between what you and I would normally associate as fly fishing and the tackle used when one pins. That is all, nothing more. I have never pinned, nor would I want to pin, on any fly water. Actually the only place I pin is on the creeks that enter Lake Erie and then usually only in the long pools, like Cascade, below Uncle John's, where it is very difficult to get a drag free float in the holding water.
While I do know guys, and have seen others, who use flies on their pin setups I don't believe any one of them would seriously consider that it is true fly fishing in the context of using a fly line to effect the cast of an unweighted fly. If someone puts a clear bubble on a spin rod and ties a fly on the end of the leader they may have a fly in the water but since their line is either monofilament, or fluorocarbon, and far exceeds the 18' as noted in the regulations then it is not considered fly fishing. The concept of center pining is no different.
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by regulation definitions, Tenkara is not fly fishing either. No fly reel and no fly line. I happen to agree, it is "fancy cane pole fishing" to me.
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