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Re: Don's sculpin

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There WAS a time when the LL Fly Shop sold the chenille for the pattern. I have a few bags I bought at the time. I suspect it to be some type of yarn or chenille that you could find in an aisle at JoAnn Fabrics. It looks like something a comfy sweater would be made of.

But hey, the BEST sculpin pattern I ever used is all black so believe me there are other options. While Don' pattern is sweet and I respect his desire to keep it his own; it's just something that like any other fly is useless unless you know how to fish it PROPERLY; which carries more weight than those dumbbell eyes he uses.

As far as hospitality abounding in the shop...after about a million years and many visits Rod will actually talk to me so I guess it isn't the friendliest shop but far from the only one I visited with a less than enthusiastic help.

Hey, maybe it's the PA Dutch influence in the Valley that makes us so...

...unfriendly?

Posted on: 2007/3/8 9:42


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Speaking of this phenomena, have you ever asked a stranger what pattern they have on and they refuse to tell or show you? WTF?


Nope, never. Maybe it's just you.

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Re: Don's sculpin

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My pride refuses to allow me to ask anyone what they are using.

If they ask me what I'm using I tell them...

..."Don's Sculpin but DON'T ask me how to tie it!"

Posted on: 2007/3/8 9:52


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I, personally, think all of this secrecy is a load of nonsese.

If the LL flyshop wants to hide things and give the cold shoulder to me and others like me, then they can expect a noticable decline in business over the coming years, as my generation of fisherman comes of age. I have always been beyond appreciative and respectful of people who have taught me things, and I feel that part of that respect is bolstering and nurturing the sport. I won't give out your secret spots, but if you are going to give tips about gear or flies, then be forewarned that I will pass it on to whomever asks.

People really forget what it's like to want to be a part of something or do something well. It really is frustrating when you are so close to succeeding, but are hampered by a simple lack of knowledge or understanding. This 'sink or swim' mentality may kill the sport.

I speak from experience....

I was a self-taught fly fisherman for a few years as a teenager, and I gave it up. I had nobody to help me learn to cast, tie, select flies, etc. It got overwhelmingly frustrating, as someone who always excelled in school and other activities, I wasn't prepared to take the time to fail, and I went back to chucking corn. Luckily for me, I was given a second chance by a gentleman who helped me with any and all information that I could possibly want.
I now love this sport more than anything because I was able to learn the right way to do things. It's sites like this and people like the guy who taught me that are responsible for keeping fly fishing alive for the future IMO. If you don't believe me, see this article about the 'self esteem' generation... which I am regretably a part of. http://nymag.com/news/features/27840/

I really hope that I am never stricken with mean old fart syndrome, because I cannot imagine the reasoning behind giving other fisherman the cold shoulder about fly patterns/gear. A good spot is one thing, but hiding your fly pattern is bordering on snide.


/end rant.


Posted on: 2007/3/8 10:20


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Unbelieveable! What should I tell my grandson?

Jayl, I like your style.

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Well, as a moderator of this board, I think if I saw the pattern posted by a troll, I'd be inclined to delete it. (but first I'd copy it).

Personally I think it is silly, even bordering on kooky to try to keep a fly pattern secret. I know several of you folks have a high respect for Don Douple. I know up until now I held his fishing prowess with high esteem over talk from the likes of Chaz and others dropping his name. But now he'll only be the guy who refuses to give up his sculpin pattern rather than the guy who invented it.

Oh well, I guess ya gotta be known for something.

Maurice

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Hey Guys thanks alot for helping out with Don's sculpin,but I think I'll just buy a couple when I go to the LL,that way I won't
start anymore trouble, for now.

Posted on: 2007/3/8 10:37


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Be prepared to fork over $5.00 per fly.
Maybe thats why they dont't want the pattern out on the web?????????

Posted on: 2007/3/8 10:44


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$5 a fly and you'll get it caught in the nearest tree on your first cast!

On the same note as JayL, I'm in that generation, or close to it, and feel the same way. I got frustrated when i first started fly fishing. Actually looked for a mentor but wasn't able to find one until recently. However for our generation everyone is too proud to do so. They want to do things on their own and if they fail they just give up. And with something like fly fishing, i see these as crucial years. I can see the sport taking off for the younger generations like myself, but it needs help from the generations that have been doing it for years. I see the likes of the bass shows on OLN being taken over by consistant fly fishing shows and more and more kids taking up the sport. I just started less than a year ago and never met anyone else my age that fly fished. Since I've put the word out that I do, I've probably met half a dozen other guys at my church alone that do so also. I'm trying to organize a social group to get more people in my area into the sport and plan to do so in the next month. I would love to do my part in waking the sport up from the "old man sport" mentality. yeah i sit at home and tie my own flies a few days a week , and my wife calls me an old man for doing so, but I want that to change. I can see the sport taking off like the PGA first tee program. Having kids start out doing so and starting like wild fire. I've gone 10 different ways in this post but I think from the few months of experience I have in this sport, I feel it's teetering towards explosion and just needs someone or something to push it. I will fly fish the rest of my life and it only took 6 months and some wise people from this site to take me there, if only I can do that to someone else in the future.




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Re: Don's sculpin

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$5 bucks a fly??? I am going to add snorkel and finns to my flyfishing gear. I'm cheap. I won't snap off green weenie that i hate and are easy to tie.

Maybe I should bronze the sculpin and put it up with the "good" china.


Oh, and what is the "proper" way to fish the sculpin?
Inquiring minds.....
I caught one this weekend on a caddis nymph. It looked alot like Don's. He wouldn't tell me the recipie either.

Posted on: 2007/3/8 13:09


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Don's a good guy, a very skilled angler. He's contributed a lot to flyfishing and stream and wild trout conservation in PA.

At the show in Carlisle last year he was selling a kit, with materials, instructions etc. for tying his Sculpin. He's caught some huge trout with that fly.

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ryan, the sculpin is an odd fish with no air bladder. Therefore, it spends all its time hugging the bottom, scurrying between rocks. It likes to raid redds for the eggs. I would toss this upstream and let it settle, then strip it in short, jerky bursts. I'm thinking pocket water and riffles. If it isn't too big a secret, maybe someone in the know can tell us how it intended to be fished.

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Re: Don's sculpin

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To hell with the secret $5 sculpins.

Anyone have any good patterns that they would like to share? Keep in mind, I WILL share them with people. If it's your own pattern I'll call it <your name here>'s sculpin. I will not, however, pay you a dime!

Also, I know sculpins are common on the LL. what about the tully and some of the smaller freestone streams in the SE. Are they that common?

Jay

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I wouldn't be afraid to fish it along the bottom of a long deep pool in short strips...from tail to head. This is where I see them most of the time.

Posted on: 2007/3/8 14:24


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ryan, the sculpin is an odd fish with no air bladder. Therefore, it spends all its time hugging the bottom, scurrying between rocks. It likes to raid redds for the eggs. I would toss this upstream and let it settle, then strip it in short, jerky bursts. I'm thinking pocket water and riffles.


Yup!

Ed Shenk's describes his technique of fishing a sculpin as "Sculpinating" which is similar to what Jack describes with short bounces of the fly on the bottom keeping in contact with the fly at all times.

If you want to read a good book loaded with history about the Letort and big fish, get a copy of Ed's book, "Fly Rod Trouting" and read Chapter 9, "The Flies Trout Love to Chew". In that chapter he describes his sculpin technique. An even better idea is IF you are in the vicinity of Carlisle on a weekend, stop by Cold Spring Anglers fly shop. Ed is known to hang out there on Saturday's and you could buy a copy and get him to inscribe it too!

I've fished the Letort since I was a kid and the stories in this book still drive me crazy!

And jayL:

Sculpins are VERY common in many streams but usually not in the numbers found on limestoners although I venture to guess a hungry trout would slam one on any creek since they look as much like food as any Woolly Bugger I ever fished. I've had good luck with them on Letort Spring Run, Big Springs, Falling Springs, Green Springs and Trindle Spring Run. Coincidentially they all happen to be limestone streams with the word "Spring" in their name so maybe that's it!

Posted on: 2007/3/8 14:52



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