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Trouble Casting Large Flies

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Last year I purchased a 9 foot, 9wt fly rod for musky fly fishing and I am having a lot of trouble casting any more than 25 yards max with wire leader and a dry 9" streamer. Is that normal or should I be able to cast further than that? Also, is it possible that the fly being wet would make it less wind resistant, making it easier to cast?

Posted on: 7/20 20:24
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Re: Trouble Casting Large Flies

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I'm no expert but when I'm casting big streamers my loops are anything but tight and sexy. I've never fished a 9" streamer but I would think if your casting within a couple meters of your backing that's a great cast with a 9" streamer.

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25 yards should be a far enough cast.

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WBT: No offense, but did you mean "yards" or feet"?

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Re: Trouble Casting Large Flies

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Yards yes. I just feel like I should be casting further to avoid spooking the fish. I suppose lawn casting might make it look a bit shorter than it really is. Then side question, if my hand and wrist hurt after about a half hour, would gripping the rod too hard be what causes that?

Posted on: 7/20 21:54
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Agree that a 25 yard cast is quite good.

As one who does a fair amount of musky fishing, I have found that the large flies are much easier to cast if you double haul and use a shooting head. Even still, such a big fly can get pushed around by the wind and often seems to be all over the place in flight. It's an unusual feel if you're used to trout or small bass flies...and takes some gettting used to.
Dropping down to flies in the 6-8" range might make the transition a bit easier too.

Posted on: 7/20 22:26


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Hand/wrist pain: I've been there.

The jump in rod/line weight without changing technique can cause mild overuse symptoms. One way to acclimate is to treat it like one would approach weight training. In other word, start out with short casting sessions with brief warm-ups and incrementally increase the number and length of casts. Warning: this may be boring.

Another approach is to rethink your casting technique as Dave_W suggested. Yes, definitely double-haul if you are not doing so already. Also, focus on "aiming" your back-cast higher and racking your hand in more of a straight line (as opposed to an arc). I learned this tip from a pro at an expo and it instantly added 20% to my distance without any extra effort. Bonus: you keep your wrist static (mostly) so it should reduce tendon and muscle strain.

Otherwise, NSAF & ice every 15-20 minutes. ;)

I hope this helps.

Posted on: 7/21 7:44


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Yards yes. I just feel like I should be casting further to avoid spooking the fish.
- Hooking a fish 75 feet away is very likely going to end in you not catching it. Especially a musky. I would not worry about getting more distance. Just make sure you're accurate with the distance you now cast.


Then side question, if my hand and wrist hurt after about a half hour, would gripping the rod too hard be what causes that?
- It's what happens when you use a real rod to chase real fish and not one of those sissy little 3wts used for bait. haha

Posted on: 7/21 9:05


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1. Keep your wrist stiff. Joan Wulff used to sell a device that wraps around the wrist and rod butt in order to keep things from moving. A simple analog is to tuck your rod butt into your shirt cuff when you cast. This will protect your wrist and elbow from the higher torque of a power cast with a heavy-weight rod.

2. Either open your stance and let the rod drift to create a longer stroke a la Lefty Kreh or Ed Jaworowski, or watch the old Mel Krieger videos and, as my late friend and mentor Bill Hayes used to say, "answer the phone and hammer the nail". This will help protect your shoulder and elbow.

3. You must learn to double-haul to get the most out of a heavy-weight rod. It doubles the line speed and allows you to just make a nice even stroke with each cast.

4. 25 yards is a pretty nice cast with a 9wt and a huge fly. It's hard to consistently bang shots out with large flies much beyond 80-85 feet. A large fly's wind resistance + gravity = limited distance. One thing about certain large flies is how much water they absorb whilst in the water. Some can cast like a wet sock after a few retrieves. Avoid these flies.

5. You may want to start making your final cast with a slight upward trajectory to try to mitigate some of the effects of gravity, particularly if you feel as if your fly is hitting the water while there is still forward momentum in the line.

Good luck.

Posted on: 7/21 12:20


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I'd switch to spin gear and a big Rapala for musky.

Your chances of catching a musky would be much better. And your risk of causing problems to your shoulder, elbow, and wrist would be much lower.


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Yards yes. I just feel like I should be casting further to avoid spooking the fish. I suppose lawn casting might make it look a bit shorter than it really is. Then side question, if my hand and wrist hurt after about a half hour, would gripping the rod too hard be what causes that?



You will not spook them they actually come and see what the commotion is all about so the louder and more water the fly pushes, it will work. As for your wrist just sounds like a good day Muskie fishing. When I'm done spin or fly you better believe I'm sore. That's a lot of weight I throw around. Their not a fish of 10,000 casts for nothing.

Posted on: 7/22 10:37


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salt water rods help in my opinion but I would say 25 yards is more than enough. Ive never caught a musky but Ive put some time in and by the end of the day I'm always more concerned with accuracy than distance. When you shoulder and forearm are killing you its better to let the boat do some of the work and drop that fly right where you want it. Just my opinion. I want to measure out yards and see how far I actually cast musky flies now.

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A 9wt is too small

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Re: Trouble Casting Large Flies

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Go to an 11 wt rod and get a good line with a heavy shooting head. I have the SA streamer express with a 450 grain shooting head and it can bomb any size fly fairly easily. Shorten your leader too.

Posted on: 10/16 8:44


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Go to an 11 wt rod and get a good line with a heavy shooting head. I have the SA streamer express with a 450 grain shooting head and it can bomb any size fly fairly easily. Shorten your leader too.


+1

If you are looking for a rod for musky fishing, I also use an 11wt rod with a 450gr sinking line.

Casting a muskie fly is like casting a wet dish rag. I have a 9wt and a 10wt that I use for SW and you can manage if I have to, but the 11wt makes it a lot easier to cast muskie flies.

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